From paco.mail.telepac.pt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 00:06:33 2017
From: paco.mail.telepac.pt at gmail.com (Paulo Costa)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:06:33 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus on Raspberry Pi 3
In-Reply-To: <cjubbchru8vssrp02lisbfsddhefh8tqbf@4ax.com>
References: <a8059dac-4cb7-f089-53c3-8e749ba37383@gmail.com>
 <cjubbchru8vssrp02lisbfsddhefh8tqbf@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <422e955a-c11b-3ed8-bd9c-43d34d87b2cc@gmail.com>

On 28-Feb-17 22:53, Bo Berglund via Lazarus wrote:

...

>> I'm using Raspbian version 8.0
>> Linux raspberrypi 4.4.38-v7+
>
> What command(s) gives you this information?

cat /etc/debian_version
"8.0"

uname -a
"Linux raspberrypi 4.4.38-v7+ ", plus other things.

Paulo Costa



From paco.mail.telepac.pt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 01:38:47 2017
From: paco.mail.telepac.pt at gmail.com (Paulo Costa)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 00:38:47 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus on Raspberry Pi 3
In-Reply-To: <cjubbchru8vssrp02lisbfsddhefh8tqbf@4ax.com>
References: <a8059dac-4cb7-f089-53c3-8e749ba37383@gmail.com>
 <cjubbchru8vssrp02lisbfsddhefh8tqbf@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ac710fe8-1e1d-53dd-36df-67487b40e707@gmail.com>

On 28-Feb-17 22:53, Bo Berglund via Lazarus wrote:

> Hmmm,
> I thought that the previous lines created the new FPC compiler, which
> we want to install. The added FPC="$FPCDIR/ppcarm" will use the seed
> compiler rather than the one created by the previous make as far as I
> understand and that is not what we want.

The error that I've got was something like:
make: -iVSPTPSOTO: Command not found

Searching for that error, I found that it means that fpc is not yet 
installed (of course, the make install command meant to do that)

I figured that, without any compiler in the path, "make install" needed 
to know where the starting compiler was like "make all" also needed...

It seems to work:
fpc -i
gives me the date of when I compiled it: 2017/01/27

while the downloaded ppcarm:
./ppcarm -i
gives 2016/03/05

Paulo Costa

From bo.berglund at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 07:22:55 2017
From: bo.berglund at gmail.com (Bo Berglund)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 07:22:55 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus on Raspberry Pi 3
References: <a8059dac-4cb7-f089-53c3-8e749ba37383@gmail.com>
 <cjubbchru8vssrp02lisbfsddhefh8tqbf@4ax.com>
 <422e955a-c11b-3ed8-bd9c-43d34d87b2cc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84qcbctos5uf84tiq9ipjos8e8rtl7f8m9@4ax.com>

On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:06:33 +0000, Paulo Costa via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>On 28-Feb-17 22:53, Bo Berglund via Lazarus wrote:
>
>...
>
>>> I'm using Raspbian version 8.0
>>> Linux raspberrypi 4.4.38-v7+
>>
>> What command(s) gives you this information?
>
>cat /etc/debian_version
>"8.0"
>
>uname -a
>"Linux raspberrypi 4.4.38-v7+ ", plus other things.
>

Thanks, this is what I have:
pi at rpi3-jessie:~ $ cat /etc/debian_version
8.0
pi at rpi3-jessie:~ $ uname -a
Linux rpi3-jessie 4.4.13-v7+ #894 SMP Mon Jun 13 13:13:27 BST 2016
armv7l GNU/Linux


-- 
Bo Berglund
Developer in Sweden


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Wed Mar  1 14:05:07 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:05:07 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
Message-ID: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>

The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.6.4. This
is a bugfix release.

This release was built with FPC 3.0.2.
The previous release Lazarus 1.6.2 was built with FPC 3.0.0.

Here is the list of fixes for Lazarus 1.6.x:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.6_fixes_branch

Here is the list of changes for Lazarus and Free Pascal:
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_1.6.0_release_notes
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User_Changes_3.0.2

The release is available for download on SourceForge:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lazarus/files/

Choose your CPU, OS, distro and then the "Lazarus 1.6.4" directory.

Checksums for the SourceForge files:
http://www.lazarus-ide.org/index.php?page=checksums#1_6_4

Minimum requirements:

Windows:       
  98, 2k, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, 32 or 64bit.
  Win98 and WinNT IDE needs FPC 2.6.4 and building with flag
    -dWIN9XPLATFORM. 

FreeBSD/Linux:
  gtk 2.8 or qt4.5, 32 or 64bit.

Mac OS X:
  10.5 to 10.11, LCL only 32bit, non LCL apps can be 64bit.

The svn tag is
http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags/lazarus_1_6_4

For people who are blocked by SF, the Lazarus releases from SourceForge
are mirrored next week at:
ftp://freepascal.dfmk.hu/pub/lazarus/releases/
and later at (after some time for synchronization)
http://michael-ep3.physik.uni-halle.de/Lazarus/releases/
and
http://mirrors.iwi.me/lazarus/

Mattias

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Wed Mar  1 17:14:19 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>

Am 2017-03-01 um 14:05 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus:
> The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.6.4. This
> is a bugfix release.
>
>
I just downloaded this new version for Windows 32 and tried to install packages (LCLextension 0.6 and VirtualTreeView 5.5.3)
but always get an error on this function in OLEUTILS:

------------------------------------------
function TOLEStream.Seek(Offset: Integer; Origin: Word): Integer;
var
   liResult, liOffset : LARGE_INTEGER;
   Res: HRESULT;
begin
   //soFrom* constants are equal to STREAM_SEEK_* constants. Assume it here
   liOffset.LowPart:=Offset;
   liOffset.HighPart:=0;
   {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100}
   Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(QWord(liOffset), Origin, QWord(liResult));
   {$else}
   Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(Int64(liOffset), Origin, Int64(liResult)); <------   oleutils.pas(110,64) Error: Call by var for arg no. 3 has to match exactly: Got "Int64" expected "QWord"
   {$endif}
   Result:=liResult.LowPart;
   if Res <> S_OK then
     Raise Exception.Create('TOLEStream - Error while seeking: '+ErrorString(Res));
end;
------------------------------------------


From bartjunk64 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 18:44:32 2017
From: bartjunk64 at gmail.com (Bart)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:44:32 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CAMye31zgUuPW+8fSCPMcyLTqo61RXK2gi_u7yEfJdE2KEbLXGg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/1/17, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> I just downloaded this new version for Windows 32 and tried to install
> packages (LCLextension 0.6 and VirtualTreeView 5.5.3)
> but always get an error on this function in OLEUTILS:

AFAIK this (oleutils) is not art of Lazarus of fpc, so the issue
should be fixed by the maintainer of that package.

Bart

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Wed Mar  1 19:00:50 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:00:50 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:14:19 +0100
Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Am 2017-03-01 um 14:05 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus:
> > The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.6.4. This
> > is a bugfix release.
> >
> >  
> I just downloaded this new version for Windows 32 and tried to install packages (LCLextension 0.6 and VirtualTreeView 5.5.3)
> but always get an error on this function in OLEUTILS:
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> function TOLEStream.Seek(Offset: Integer; Origin: Word): Integer;
> var
>    liResult, liOffset : LARGE_INTEGER;
>    Res: HRESULT;
> begin
>    //soFrom* constants are equal to STREAM_SEEK_* constants. Assume it here
>    liOffset.LowPart:=Offset;
>    liOffset.HighPart:=0;
>    {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100}
>    Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(QWord(liOffset), Origin, QWord(liResult));
>    {$else}
>    Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(Int64(liOffset), Origin, Int64(liResult)); <------   oleutils.pas(110,64) Error: Call by var for arg no. 3 has to match exactly: Got "Int64" expected "QWord"
>    {$endif}

Yes, this is caused by one of the two changes pf 3.0.2. See
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User_Changes_3.0.2#Classes

Mattias

From listbox at martoks-place.de  Wed Mar  1 19:19:58 2017
From: listbox at martoks-place.de (Martok)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:19:58 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
 <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>

> Yes, this is caused by one of the two changes pf 3.0.2. See
> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User_Changes_3.0.2#Classes
> 
Jürgen appears to already have the fixed version, with the correct ifdefs:

>>    {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100}
>>    Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(QWord(liOffset), Origin, QWord(liResult));
>>    {$else}
>>    Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(Int64(liOffset), Origin, Int64(liResult)); <------   oleutils.pas(110,64) Error: Call by var for arg no. 3 has to match exactly: Got "Int64" expected "QWord"
>>    {$endif}

This should work, the error message is in the branch of the conditional that
should not be taken at all...


Martok


From lazarus at kluug.net  Wed Mar  1 19:25:58 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:25:58 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
 <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <123f87c4-2bcb-4122-6d05-153dac6546c6@kluug.net>

On 01.03.2017 19:19, Martok via Lazarus wrote:
>> Yes, this is caused by one of the two changes pf 3.0.2. See
>> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/User_Changes_3.0.2#Classes
>>
> Jürgen appears to already have the fixed version, with the correct ifdefs:
>
>>>     {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100}
>>>     Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(QWord(liOffset), Origin, QWord(liResult));
>>>     {$else}
>>>     Res:=FSrcStream.Seek(Int64(liOffset), Origin, Int64(liResult)); <------   oleutils.pas(110,64) Error: Call by var for arg no. 3 has to match exactly: Got "Int64" expected "QWord"
>>>     {$endif}
> This should work, the error message is in the branch of the conditional that
> should not be taken at all...

The conditional should be {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30001} instead of {$if 
FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100} because the change was backported to 3.0.2.

Ondrej

From joshyfun at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 20:47:45 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:47:45 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <1d1f8364-c75c-1540-4361-9c4a28219d7f@gmail.com>
 <0e2dfb39-957c-b881-c1b3-b13e359b2428@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <a0c50c98-c7cb-1514-2b7b-123ad87fa46c@gmail.com>
 <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>

El 27/02/2017 a las 15:15, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus escribió:

> 2) I have a 4 core system with hyper threading (ie: 4 cores and 4
>    virtual cores). Your sample application maxed out all 8 cores at
>    100% CPU load. Not really acceptable behaviour for a desktop
>    application I would think. ;-)

Hello,

Performed some tests today using VirtualBox, Ubuntu 14.04.02 and Centos 
6.7, both 32 bits using Windows 7 as host with a CPU i7 (3 cores for 
virtual machines and 2 gigabytes of RAM).

Ubuntu
------
- Default configuration from Virtualbox the animation takes CPU near 
100% in all cores with compiz using 95% of CPU wichever frames per 
second I use. The Windows manager is damn slow, just open Lazarus and 
move components around a form is sloooowwww.
- Activated 3D acceleration and now animation is good at ~60 frames per 
second with an average CPU of 10-15%. Also removed the FPS in caption as 
only that update takes 50% CPU sometimes, something is wrong in compiz 
with windows captions.
- Host Windows 7 machine with Ubutu animation running uses around 12-16% 
CPU for the VirtualBox.

Centos
------
- Gnome with default VirtualBox configuration (no 3D acceleration) works 
fine at ~60 frames per second once Form.Caption update is removed as it 
consumes CPU (only form.caption update consumes 60% CPU sometimes).

Conclusions:
Ubuntu compiz needs 3D acceleration to be usable and has window caption 
bugs, the update of caption produces artifacts in form controls like 
missing draws, blank zones, ghost lines, ... Of course this could have 
some relation with LCL updating the caption as its CPU consume is 
insane. In the other hand, form.caption update in GNome works quite 
well, not as smooth as Ubuntu but quite similar to Windows7.

In linux Form.invalidate/repaint seems to work different than in 
Windows, as in Linux it seems to not remove queued paints, so moving a 
control and just issue a form.invalidate the system paints the control 
and children controls and then form.invalidate paints all of them again. 
In windows AFAIK when form.invalidate is called all paints in the queue 
are removed (related to that window) without being processed and then 
form.invalidate is performed.

I wish to know if somebody think this is useful, to expand it, or just 
don't take more time developing it and keep it to my projects.

Thank you.

-- 


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar  1 20:55:45 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 19:55:45 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>
References: <1d1f8364-c75c-1540-4361-9c4a28219d7f@gmail.com>
 <0e2dfb39-957c-b881-c1b3-b13e359b2428@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <a0c50c98-c7cb-1514-2b7b-123ad87fa46c@gmail.com>
 <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89e33463-0af5-48b9-e684-19a4abd1606d@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-01 19:47, José Mejuto via Lazarus wrote:
> I wish to know if somebody think this is useful, to expand it, or just 
> don't take more time developing it and keep it to my projects.

By all means please do continue if you have the time and energy. :) We
were simply testing your work - it's always good to test on various
platforms. Just so you know, I'm using 64-bit FreeBSD. I don't run a
desktop environment, but instead a old-school style Window Manager
(called JWM - Joe's Window Manager). JWM is extremely light - only uses
8MB of RAM so never interferes with application performance tests.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From bo.berglund at gmail.com  Wed Mar  1 21:57:46 2017
From: bo.berglund at gmail.com (Bo Berglund)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:57:46 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:05:07 +0100, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.6.4. This
>is a bugfix release.
>
>This release was built with FPC 3.0.2.

Can it be built with some other FPC version, like 3.0 too?

-- 
Bo Berglund
Developer in Sweden


From lazarus at kluug.net  Wed Mar  1 22:03:51 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:03:51 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <8815f083-a835-b692-2e77-6b830e1014b4@kluug.net>

On 01.03.2017 21:57, Bo Berglund via Lazarus wrote:
> Can it be built with some other FPC version, like 3.0 too? 

Yes. Starting from 2.6.4 all FPC versions are supported.

Ondrej


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Wed Mar  1 22:08:23 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:08:23 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20170301220823.6a8073dc@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:57:46 +0100
Bo Berglund via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:05:07 +0100, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus
> <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> 
> >The Lazarus team is glad to announce the release of Lazarus 1.6.4. This
> >is a bugfix release.
> >
> >This release was built with FPC 3.0.2.  
> 
> Can it be built with some other FPC version, like 3.0 too?

Yes, you can.

Mattias

From listbox at martoks-place.de  Wed Mar  1 23:16:21 2017
From: listbox at martoks-place.de (Martok)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:16:21 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <123f87c4-2bcb-4122-6d05-153dac6546c6@kluug.net>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
 <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <123f87c4-2bcb-4122-6d05-153dac6546c6@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <o97h7f$r45$1@blaine.gmane.org>


> The conditional should be {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30001} instead of {$if 
> FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100} because the change was backported to 3.0.2.
Oh. Right. Read that line multiple times and didn't notice the digit was in a
different place...

Luiz apparently has this fixed in another repo, but not in the version that is
in CCR?
<https://github.com/blikblum/luipack/commit/403fd0c047cafe98e2622a>


Martok


From bo.berglund at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 10:41:50 2017
From: bo.berglund at gmail.com (Bo Berglund)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:41:50 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <ocdebc5mghta1ar9cbkh35mv4i8cel76fn@4ax.com>
 <8815f083-a835-b692-2e77-6b830e1014b4@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <c1qfbchn7jm4khisgisochse0obo8ft8sp@4ax.com>

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:03:51 +0100, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>On 01.03.2017 21:57, Bo Berglund via Lazarus wrote:
>> Can it be built with some other FPC version, like 3.0 too? 
>
>Yes. Starting from 2.6.4 all FPC versions are supported.
>

Thanks,
then if I use 3.0.0 will there be differences in Lazarus compared to
using 3.0.2?
I have a 3.0.0 seed compiler I use to build fpc on an RPi3, can I use
the same for Lazarus (it is just the ppcarm file)?
Or does it use some fpc sources as well so I have to point the build
to those?

-- 
Bo Berglund
Developer in Sweden


From luizamericop at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 12:59:58 2017
From: luizamericop at gmail.com (Luiz Americo Pereira Camara)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:59:58 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <o97h7f$r45$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
 <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg> <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <123f87c4-2bcb-4122-6d05-153dac6546c6@kluug.net>
 <o97h7f$r45$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CA+nZ=yNG2ykCgUn1zSS5PshZa+++s5+3AYOft9jTHzLNxSGxjQ@mail.gmail.com>

2017-03-01 19:16 GMT-03:00 Martok via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
>:

>
> > The conditional should be {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30001} instead of {$if
> > FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100} because the change was backported to 3.0.2.
> Oh. Right. Read that line multiple times and didn't notice the digit was
> in a
> different place...
>
> Luiz apparently has this fixed in another repo, but not in the version
> that is
> in CCR?
>

The CCR version is deprecated as pointed in the source file


> <https://github.com/blikblum/luipack/commit/403fd0c047cafe98e2622a>
>
>
I updated the lclextensions package in
https://github.com/blikblum/VirtualTreeView-Lazarus/releases

Luiz
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From jmlandmesser at gmx.de  Thu Mar  2 15:44:00 2017
From: jmlandmesser at gmx.de (Landmesser John)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:44:00 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE and gtk2 themes for Windows XP
Message-ID: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>

Hi,

does Lazarus use gtk2 widgets on Windows XP?

Are there gtk2 themes available for Windows XP?

Lazarus IDE look:



I think that looks ugly?!

Googled a bit, found this:

http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/GTK2_Interface#Themes

.. looks better, but howto use it for the Lazarus IDE itself?

Info:
Lazarus 1.7 svn FPC 3.0.0 i386-win32-win32/win64

Also searched the Lazarus Mailing List archive, never discussed?

Compile options Lazarus:



Tipps are welcome :-)
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From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Thu Mar  2 16:02:29 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus Release 1.6.4
In-Reply-To: <CA+nZ=yNG2ykCgUn1zSS5PshZa+++s5+3AYOft9jTHzLNxSGxjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170301140507.71b1d674@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <589d2eb9-3cc5-2b65-78f9-f7d239da2403@gmx.de>
 <20170301190050.28f53dac@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <o973c7$pv2$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <123f87c4-2bcb-4122-6d05-153dac6546c6@kluug.net>
 <o97h7f$r45$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <CA+nZ=yNG2ykCgUn1zSS5PshZa+++s5+3AYOft9jTHzLNxSGxjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbd536e6-d92f-904d-7a56-a20a09b7f19d@gmx.de>

Am 2017-03-02 um 12:59 schrieb Luiz Americo Pereira Camara via Lazarus:
>
>
> 2017-03-01 19:16 GMT-03:00 Martok via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org <mailto:lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>>:
>
>
>     > The conditional should be {$if FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30001} instead of {$if
>     > FPC_FULLVERSION >= 30100} because the change was backported to 3.0.2.
>     Oh. Right. Read that line multiple times and didn't notice the digit was in a
>     different place...
>
>     Luiz apparently has this fixed in another repo, but not in the version that is
>     in CCR?
>
>
> The CCR version is deprecated as pointed in the source file
>
>     <https://github.com/blikblum/luipack/commit/403fd0c047cafe98e2622a <https://github.com/blikblum/luipack/commit/403fd0c047cafe98e2622a>>
>
>
> I updated the lclextensions package in https://github.com/blikblum/VirtualTreeView-Lazarus/releases
>
>

Yes, using the updated version 0.6.1 of lclextensions fixed the issue.
Many thanks.


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From zeljko at holobit.net  Thu Mar  2 16:25:36 2017
From: zeljko at holobit.net (zeljko)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:25:36 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE and gtk2 themes for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>
References: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <696b61a3-5c07-16fb-97d6-a6144eb8f390@holobit.net>

On 03/02/2017 03:44 PM, Landmesser John via Lazarus wrote:

> Info:
> Lazarus 1.7 svn FPC 3.0.0 i386-win32-win32/win64

This is not gtk2-win32 lazarus, but pure win32 lazarus.

zeljko


From prof7bit at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 17:05:38 2017
From: prof7bit at gmail.com (Bernd)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:05:38 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE and gtk2 themes for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>
References: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CAAkg2-nFv5ckpqAB4C9pHANYU6wmFpuWxYPySn10=VQbXdToVw@mail.gmail.com>

2017-03-02 15:44 GMT+01:00 Landmesser John via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
>
>
> I think that looks ugly?!

This looks exactly like everything else on Windows XP looks like too,
its native Windows XP widgetset.

From joshyfun at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 20:37:11 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 20:37:11 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE and gtk2 themes for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <CAAkg2-nFv5ckpqAB4C9pHANYU6wmFpuWxYPySn10=VQbXdToVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f05ba3f7-758e-3a46-1d9e-d2ae481ab0da@gmx.de>
 <CAAkg2-nFv5ckpqAB4C9pHANYU6wmFpuWxYPySn10=VQbXdToVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daa29455-af05-b024-d2ad-71e55d808a84@gmail.com>

El 02/03/2017 a las 17:05, Bernd via Lazarus escribió:
> 2017-03-02 15:44 GMT+01:00 Landmesser John via Lazarus
> <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
>>
>>
>> I think that looks ugly?!
>
> This looks exactly like everything else on Windows XP looks like too,
> its native Windows XP widgetset.

Hello,

That's Windows XP *without* themes (Windows classic theme).

-- 


From joshyfun at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 19:10:56 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:10:56 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Help with bitmaps, glyph, etc...
Message-ID: <b06138ea-cc20-dd0c-2a68-876240a89e8a@gmail.com>

Hello,

I need help with bitmaps as my tests results in unexpected/random behavior.

I need to get current glyph from a BitBtn, clone it to another bitmap 
(to be stored in memory), then process the image content and finally 
write the result to the BitBtn.

In my tests I clone the bitmap using TBitmap.RawImage and everything 
looks to work fine but after setting BitBtn.Glyph to this new created 
bitmap sometimes the operation works fine (when mouse is over the 
BitBtn), other times it simply disappear and other times it is partially 
painted blending new content with old one.

Just for the test I was using .ico file with transparency (32 bits), 
other formats will be supported later, but now I need at least one 
format that works fine.

Platform is Win32 running Windows 7. I hope to handle it in a cross 
platform way, or even specific code for each platform.

Is there any recommended operations sequence ? Forget about TBitmap and 
use TLazIntfImage ?

Thank you.

-- 


From team at trubrain.com  Fri Mar  3 19:16:38 2017
From: team at trubrain.com (Team at TruBrain)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
Message-ID: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>

 Hi Lazarus mailing list,  A new TruBrain account has been created for you.  Click the url below to activate your account and select a password!  https://trubrain.freshdesk.com/register/MXFTNlzDJTSGD3U0Onz  If the above URL does not work try copying and pasting it into your browser. If you continue to have problems, please feel free to contact us.  Regards, TruBrain 
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From team at trubrain.com  Fri Mar  3 19:16:37 2017
From: team at trubrain.com (Team at TruBrain)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:16:37 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Ticket Received -  Help with bitmaps, glyph, etc...
In-Reply-To: <b06138ea-cc20-dd0c-2a68-876240a89e8a@gmail.com>
References: <b06138ea-cc20-dd0c-2a68-876240a89e8a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58b9b305e3828_344574f2d427482f.delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1@notification.freshdesk.com>

 Dear Lazarus mailing list,  We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours).  To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit  https://trubrain.freshdesk.com/helpdesk/tickets/512  Thank you for your patience.  Sincerely, TruBrain Support Team 

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From skalogryz.lists at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 19:22:57 2017
From: skalogryz.lists at gmail.com (Dmitry Boyarintsev)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 13:22:57 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
References: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
Message-ID: <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>

Spammers have to be blocked.

thanks,
Dmitry
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From skalogryz.lists at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 19:24:16 2017
From: skalogryz.lists at gmail.com (Dmitry Boyarintsev)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 13:24:16 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
 <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>

It should be blocked asap, since now its receiving  mailing list and would
steal everyone's email addresses.

thanks,
Dmitry

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev <
skalogryz.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Spammers have to be blocked.
>
> thanks,
> Dmitry
>
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From team at trubrain.com  Fri Mar  3 19:24:21 2017
From: team at trubrain.com (Team at TruBrain)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:24:21 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] New comment - [#513] Re:  TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58b9b4d542686_285d15b104842683e.delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1@notification.freshdesk.com>

 There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Dmitry Boyarintsev to TruBrain   Comment added by : Dmitry Boyarintsev  Comment Content:  <div dir="ltr">It should be blocked asap, since now its receiving  mailing list and would steal everyone's email addresses.<div><br></div>
<div>thanks,</div>
<div>Dmitry<br><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><div class="gmail_quote"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="freshdesk_quote"><blockquote class="freshdesk_quote">
<div>On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skalogryz.lists at gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">skalogryz.lists at gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra">Spammers have to be blocked.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">thanks,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Dmitry</div>
</div>
</blockquote>

<br>



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From marc at dommelstein.nl  Fri Mar  3 21:30:11 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:30:11 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
 <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>

Freshdesk isnt a spammer , but ticket support system. Someone used the lazarus address to subscribe to the trubrain ticket system :(

Ive searched for this user to unsubscribe, but i haven't found it jet

Marc

On March 3, 2017 7:24:16 PM GMT+01:00, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>It should be blocked asap, since now its receiving  mailing list and
>would
>steal everyone's email addresses.
>
>thanks,
>Dmitry
>
>On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev <
>skalogryz.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Spammers have to be blocked.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Dmitry
>>

From team at trubrain.com  Fri Mar  3 21:39:32 2017
From: team at trubrain.com (Team at TruBrain)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 20:39:32 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Ticket Received - Re:  TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
References: <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <58b9d4843a402_6fe011174d8352638.delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1@notification.freshdesk.com>

 Dear Lazarus mailing list,  We would like to acknowledge that we have received your request and a ticket has been created. A support representative will be reviewing your request and will send you a personal response.(usually within 24 hours).  To view the status of the ticket or add comments, please visit  https://trubrain.freshdesk.com/helpdesk/tickets/571  Thank you for your patience.  Sincerely, TruBrain Support Team 

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From marc at dommelstein.nl  Fri Mar  3 23:28:16 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:28:16 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
References: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
 <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <8A01E7AC-3918-4C6B-BB0D-7B3E9B54186B@dommelstein.nl>

Ok disabled mail

On March 3, 2017 9:30:11 PM GMT+01:00, Marc Weustink via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>Freshdesk isnt a spammer , but ticket support system. Someone used the
>lazarus address to subscribe to the trubrain ticket system :(
>
>Ive searched for this user to unsubscribe, but i haven't found it jet
>
>Marc
>
>On March 3, 2017 7:24:16 PM GMT+01:00, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus
><lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>>It should be blocked asap, since now its receiving  mailing list and
>>would
>>steal everyone's email addresses.
>>
>>thanks,
>>Dmitry
>>
>>On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev <
>>skalogryz.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Spammers have to be blocked.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Dmitry
>>>
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From wkitty42 at windstream.net  Sat Mar  4 01:41:42 2017
From: wkitty42 at windstream.net (wkitty42 at windstream.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 19:41:42 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] TruBrain user activation
In-Reply-To: <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
References: <58b9b3066207a_344577b0c82751e2@delayed-jobs-sidekiq-1.mail>
 <CAMpTZrfbaXM97V0Bt_iVTo=MpERDhouCrWqzQwqMnZ2i9HkWFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMpTZrd8FeZR5s6CHXFSurk+4EMOo5i7BFUHzfLWGj_cqvbC1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4BE9D406-84CC-477F-B428-DDFB3252C9B4@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <f008da8c-44d2-f218-3cbc-38247583e8e6@windstream.net>

On 03/03/2017 03:30 PM, Marc Weustink via Lazarus wrote:
> Freshdesk isnt a spammer , but ticket support system. Someone used the
> lazarus address to subscribe to the trubrain ticket system :(

we've gone through something similar on the snort mailing list in the recent 
past... filing formal spam reports for all of their posts is how we took care of 
that... it wasn't trubrain but some virtual office on the net crap... apparently 
it has a ticketing system...

> Ive searched for this user to unsubscribe, but i haven't found it jet

this could be painful but i'd start with those that signed up on the date the 
garbage first showed up...

good luck!

> Marc
>
> On March 3, 2017 7:24:16 PM GMT+01:00, Dmitry Boyarintsev via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>> It should be blocked asap, since now its receiving  mailing list and
>> would
>> steal everyone's email addresses.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Dmitry
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Dmitry Boyarintsev <
>> skalogryz.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Spammers have to be blocked.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Dmitry
>>>


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From petr at petrhlozek.cz  Sat Mar  4 16:18:22 2017
From: petr at petrhlozek.cz (=?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBIbG/FvmVr?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 16:18:22 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Synapse, HTTPS request and libssl 1.1.0
Message-ID: <CAOWTWzocjcTq0dveZQMfb=dmQM87tj4JURrHG35KHw=sGHzL0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

my application needs some data from a https website and uses Synapse to
download it. Everything works fine on Ubuntu 16.04 with libssl 1.0 but
doesn't work at all on Debian testing where the libssl is in version 1.1.

I get this error:

error:140A90C4:SSL routines:func(169):reason(196)

Could you help me how to solve that, please?

Thank you for your help!

Petr

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From M.Santhoff at web.de  Sat Mar  4 16:33:39 2017
From: M.Santhoff at web.de (Marc Santhoff)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 16:33:39 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] type lib import
Message-ID: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>

Hi,

is fpc/lazarus able to import type libraries for COM dll on windows?

TIA,
Marc



From michael at freepascal.org  Sat Mar  4 16:59:16 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 16:59:16 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Lazarus] type lib import
In-Reply-To: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
References: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703041658450.29599@home.telenet.be>



On Sat, 4 Mar 2017, Marc Santhoff via Lazarus wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is fpc/lazarus able to import type libraries for COM dll on windows?

If there is an IDL, yes it can. There is a tool for it in the FPC packages.

Michael.

From listbox at martoks-place.de  Sat Mar  4 17:02:56 2017
From: listbox at martoks-place.de (Martok)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 17:02:56 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] type lib import
In-Reply-To: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
References: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
Message-ID: <52b3d643-2a0f-7f8b-9177-ded1f0e7b48f@martoks-place.de>

Hi,

yes, FPC provides the 'importtl'-utility for that. You can also install the
LazActiveX package to get a Delphi-style visual frontend for it in the IDE Tools
menu.


Martok

Am 04.03.2017 um 16:33 schrieb Marc Santhoff via Lazarus:
> Hi,
> 
> is fpc/lazarus able to import type libraries for COM dll on windows?
> 
> TIA,
> Marc
> 
> 


From M.Santhoff at web.de  Sun Mar  5 00:00:12 2017
From: M.Santhoff at web.de (Marc Santhoff)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:00:12 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] type lib import
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703041658450.29599@home.telenet.be>
References: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703041658450.29599@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <1488668412.2102.2.camel@puma.das.netz>

On Sa, 2017-03-04 at 16:59 +0100, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 4 Mar 2017, Marc Santhoff via Lazarus wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > is fpc/lazarus able to import type libraries for COM dll on windows?
> 
> If there is an IDL, yes it can. There is a tool for it in the FPC packages.

Lots of those, yes.

Thank you,
Marc

(Sorry for private mail, your personal mail address was set as main
address)





From M.Santhoff at web.de  Sun Mar  5 00:05:50 2017
From: M.Santhoff at web.de (Marc Santhoff)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] type lib import
In-Reply-To: <52b3d643-2a0f-7f8b-9177-ded1f0e7b48f@martoks-place.de>
References: <1488641619.5341.1.camel@puma.das.netz>
 <52b3d643-2a0f-7f8b-9177-ded1f0e7b48f@martoks-place.de>
Message-ID: <1488668750.2102.6.camel@puma.das.netz>

On Sa, 2017-03-04 at 17:02 +0100, Martok via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> yes, FPC provides the 'importtl'-utility for that. You can also install the
> LazActiveX package to get a Delphi-style visual frontend for it in the IDE Tools
> menu.
> 
> 
> Martok

General Martok? Thlo'!

Marc



From dhkblaszyk at zeelandnet.nl  Sun Mar  5 11:57:54 2017
From: dhkblaszyk at zeelandnet.nl (Darius Blaszyk)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 11:57:54 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
Message-ID: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>

On Linux I don't get the terminal to show when debugging a command line 
application. How can I instruct the IDE to display the terminal? There 
is the console window, but I prefer to see the terminal instead. On 
windows this seems to be handled just fine. I'm using 1.6.4

Regards, Darius

From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Sun Mar  5 13:35:14 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 12:35:14 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] "Configure Lazarus IDE" window
Message-ID: <o9h0m2$7fc$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

I'm in the middle of setting up several versions of Lazarus for test 
purposes on a system I use rarely.

Is it possible to invoke this form from inside the IDE, please could it 
tell us where it's about to store the information, and could it please 
have a button to clone the information to a different directory that can 
later be picked up by a newer version of the IDE using the --pcp option.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From wkitty42 at windstream.net  Sun Mar  5 13:46:19 2017
From: wkitty42 at windstream.net (wkitty42 at windstream.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 07:46:19 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
In-Reply-To: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
References: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
Message-ID: <a93d75f6-0f31-2790-883a-a34e370ed6b2@windstream.net>

On 03/05/2017 05:57 AM, Darius Blaszyk via Lazarus wrote:
> On Linux I don't get the terminal to show when debugging a command line
> application. How can I instruct the IDE to display the terminal? There is the
> console window, but I prefer to see the terminal instead. On windows this seems
> to be handled just fine. I'm using 1.6.4


maybe i'm misunderstanding something but on linux, the console is the 
terminal... isn't it? it seems that way over here...

eg: in GUI i open a terminal, konsole, and from there run text and GUI programs 
alike... if i CTRL-ALT-F1, i'm at the base console/terminal i can run text 
stuffs... i haven't tried GUI stuff from the base terminals ALT-F1 thru 
ALT-F6... don't know if they would show up on ALT-F7 or not...


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From pascaldragon at googlemail.com  Sun Mar  5 13:49:45 2017
From: pascaldragon at googlemail.com (Sven Barth)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 13:49:45 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
In-Reply-To: <CAFMUeB-p4pTtA1zux57oMwTMT35OrYXZt19=baimzTk3Xkp=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
 <CAFMUeB-p4pTtA1zux57oMwTMT35OrYXZt19=baimzTk3Xkp=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Am 05.03.2017 11:58 schrieb "Darius Blaszyk via Lazarus" <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
>
> On Linux I don't get the terminal to show when debugging a command line
application. How can I instruct the IDE to display the terminal? There is
the console window, but I prefer to see the terminal instead. On windows
this seems to be handled just fine. I'm using 1.6.4

Because on Windows the operating system automatically provides a console if
the application is a console one. That is not the case on most other
systems however.
If you want a terminal window on Linux you need to enable it in the project
settings (don't remember the correct name right now, but the default
setting AFAIK is that it's disabled and using "xterm", you'll need to
adjust that for your system).

Regards,
Sven
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From brian666 at hughes.net  Sun Mar  5 15:15:09 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian666 at hughes.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 09:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
Message-ID: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>

Hi all,

Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4 as
downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2 (from the
same source) which was working just fine. I'm running 64-bit Linux
Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint, on a AMD Phenom
x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't seem to work.

The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
code returned is 512.

Any ideas, please?

Thanks,

Brian.

From wkitty42 at windstream.net  Sun Mar  5 15:29:35 2017
From: wkitty42 at windstream.net (wkitty42 at windstream.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 09:29:35 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
In-Reply-To: <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
 <CAFMUeB-p4pTtA1zux57oMwTMT35OrYXZt19=baimzTk3Xkp=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa20f193-2a30-e42b-41b0-bdbed76026ed@windstream.net>

On 03/05/2017 07:49 AM, Sven Barth via Lazarus wrote:
> If you want a terminal window on Linux you need to enable it in the project
> settings (don't remember the correct name right now, but the default setting
> AFAIK is that it's disabled and using "xterm", you'll need to adjust that
> for your system).


ahhh... i missed that part... mainly because i generally run everything from the 
command line ;)


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From brian666 at hughes.net  Sun Mar  5 15:54:01 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 09:54:01 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
Message-ID: <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>

On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4 as
> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2 (from the
> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running 64-bit Linux
> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint, on a AMD Phenom
> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't seem to work.
> 
> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
> code returned is 512.
> 
> Any ideas, please?
> 

P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World' simple program.




From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Sun Mar  5 16:35:42 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 15:35:42 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 05/03/17 15:00, brian via Lazarus wrote:
> On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:> Hi all,> > Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4 as> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2 (from the> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running 64-bit Linux> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint, on a AMD Phenom> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't seem to work.> > The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit> code returned is 512.> > Any ideas, please?>
> P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World' simple program.

I built on amd64 using pukka Debian a couple of days ago with no 
problems.  GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.25

-- 
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From brian666 at hughes.net  Sun Mar  5 16:53:55 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 10:53:55 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
 <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <99311753-18c8-7b41-8ccf-de96a71a1eae@hughes.net>

On 03/05/2017 10:35 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> On 05/03/17 15:00, brian via Lazarus wrote:
>> On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:> Hi all,> >
>> Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4
>> as> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2
>> (from the> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running
>> 64-bit Linux> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint,
>> on a AMD Phenom> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't
>> seem to work.> > The error is shown as 'Generic error while
>> linking'. I don't think the> source line is relevant, as it tags the
>> 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit> code returned is 512.> > Any ideas,
>> please?>
>> P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World' simple program.
> 
> I built on amd64 using pukka Debian a couple of days ago with no
> problems.  GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.25
> 

The version of binutils in the LMDE repositories is 2.25-5. I did do
an apt-get update, upgrade and -f install before posting. Everything
was up to date.

Brian.


From luca at wetron.es  Sun Mar  5 17:59:58 2017
From: luca at wetron.es (Luca Olivetti)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 17:59:58 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4d450156-59da-6932-3122-e8e24a25be95@wetron.es>

El 05/03/17 a les 15:15, brian666--- via Lazarus ha escrit:

>
> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
> code returned is 512.

Right click on the messages window, copy -> copy all/original messages 
to clipboard
Then open a text editor and paste what you just copied, so you can see 
the exact linker error.

Bye
-- 
Luca Olivetti
Wetron Automation Technology http://www.wetron.es/
Tel. +34 93 5883004 (Ext.3010)  Fax +34 93 5883007

From brian666 at hughes.net  Sun Mar  5 18:53:37 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 12:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <4d450156-59da-6932-3122-e8e24a25be95@wetron.es>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <4d450156-59da-6932-3122-e8e24a25be95@wetron.es>
Message-ID: <248cc85d-32f6-c9c7-c5bc-233512d0fdb1@hughes.net>

On 03/05/2017 11:59 AM, Luca Olivetti via Lazarus wrote:
> El 05/03/17 a les 15:15, brian666--- via Lazarus ha escrit:
> 
>>
>> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
>> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
>> code returned is 512.
> 
> Right click on the messages window, copy -> copy all/original messages
> to clipboard
> Then open a text editor and paste what you just copied, so you can see
> the exact linker error.
> 
> Bye

Thank you, that found more details of the problem, but I'm still at a
loss how to fix it. I think this is the relevant section of the
messages...


> 
> 
> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/fpc/3.0.2/units/x86_64-linux/rtl/cprt0.o: unrecognized relocation (0x2a) in section `.text'
> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
> /usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide/lazarus.pp(154,1) Error: (9013) Error while linking
> /usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide/lazarus.pp(154,1) Fatal: (10026) There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping
> Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
> make[2]: *** [lazarus] Error 1
> make[1]: *** [idepkg] Error 2
> make: *** [idepkg] Error 2
> Error: /usr/bin/ppcx64 returned an error exitcode
> Makefile:4004: recipe for target 'lazarus' failed
> make[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide'
> Makefile:4430: recipe for target 'idepkg' failed
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide'
> Makefile:3074: recipe for target 'idepkg' failed
> make: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4'



From luca at wetron.es  Sun Mar  5 19:17:34 2017
From: luca at wetron.es (Luca Olivetti)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:17:34 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <248cc85d-32f6-c9c7-c5bc-233512d0fdb1@hughes.net>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <4d450156-59da-6932-3122-e8e24a25be95@wetron.es>
 <248cc85d-32f6-c9c7-c5bc-233512d0fdb1@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <92b0544f-d7e4-0d52-5af1-205b3dda4d22@wetron.es>

El 05/03/17 a les 18:53, brian via Lazarus ha escrit:
> On 03/05/2017 11:59 AM, Luca Olivetti via Lazarus wrote:
>> El 05/03/17 a les 15:15, brian666--- via Lazarus ha escrit:
>>
>>>
>>> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
>>> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
>>> code returned is 512.
>>
>> Right click on the messages window, copy -> copy all/original messages
>> to clipboard
>> Then open a text editor and paste what you just copied, so you can see
>> the exact linker error.
>>
>> Bye
>
> Thank you, that found more details of the problem, but I'm still at a
> loss how to fix it. I think this is the relevant section of the
> messages...

I don't know how to fix it either, but try searching google for the 
message "unrecognized relocation (0x2a)": there are a couple of bug 
reports against ubuntu and debian and maybe they apply to your distribution.

>
>
>>
>>
>> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/fpc/3.0.2/units/x86_64-linux/rtl/cprt0.o: unrecognized relocation (0x2a) in section `.text'
>> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
>> /usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide/lazarus.pp(154,1) Error: (9013) Error while linking
>> /usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide/lazarus.pp(154,1) Fatal: (10026) There were 1 errors compiling module, stopping
>> Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
>> make[2]: *** [lazarus] Error 1
>> make[1]: *** [idepkg] Error 2
>> make: *** [idepkg] Error 2
>> Error: /usr/bin/ppcx64 returned an error exitcode
>> Makefile:4004: recipe for target 'lazarus' failed
>> make[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide'
>> Makefile:4430: recipe for target 'idepkg' failed
>> make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4/ide'
>> Makefile:3074: recipe for target 'idepkg' failed
>> make: Leaving directory '/usr/share/lazarus/1.6.4'
>
>


-- 
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Tel. +34 93 5883004 (Ext.3010)  Fax +34 93 5883007

From dhkblaszyk at zeelandnet.nl  Sun Mar  5 19:53:00 2017
From: dhkblaszyk at zeelandnet.nl (Darius Blaszyk)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2017 19:53:00 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
In-Reply-To: <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
 <CAFMUeB-p4pTtA1zux57oMwTMT35OrYXZt19=baimzTk3Xkp=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d418894fdf3552f2251f13b0a59a64c2@zeelandnet.nl>

>> On Linux I don't get the terminal to show when debugging a command 
>> line application. How can I instruct the IDE to display the terminal? 
>> There is the console window, but I prefer to see the terminal instead. 
>> On windows this seems to be handled just fine. I'm using 1.6.4

With "console window" I was referring to the "terminal output" debug 
window.

> Because on Windows the operating system automatically provides a 
> console if the application is a console one. That is not the case on 
> most other systems however.
> If you want a terminal window on Linux you need to enable it in the 
> project settings (don't remember the correct name right now, but the 
> default setting AFAIK is that it's disabled and using "xterm", you'll 
> need to adjust that for your system).

What setting would that be? Are you possibly referring to the "run 
parameters" dialog and the "launching application" setting? Activating 
that gives the following error:

"/usr/bin/gnome-terminal": not in executable format: File format not 
recognized

Switching to xterm does not help. Then I get:

The GDB command:
"info address main"
returned the error:
",msg="No symbol \"main\" in current context.""

Regards, Darius

From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Sun Mar  5 20:14:36 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:14:36 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Terminal window while debugging
In-Reply-To: <d418894fdf3552f2251f13b0a59a64c2@zeelandnet.nl>
References: <5bfe43fa5272d7430d878a6dd0b2efe5@zeelandnet.nl>
 <CAFMUeB-p4pTtA1zux57oMwTMT35OrYXZt19=baimzTk3Xkp=xQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFMUeB_+EKjEqhbC2Gdoq6a9C9dmj=rDki8jUU-MtxYpWkccVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d418894fdf3552f2251f13b0a59a64c2@zeelandnet.nl>
Message-ID: <f57a2dcb-b0a4-e30c-fe77-b41f026b4d5e@mfriebe.de>

On 05/03/2017 18:53, Darius Blaszyk via Lazarus wrote:
>>> On Linux I don't get the terminal to show when debugging a command 
>>> line application. How can I instruct the IDE to display the 
>>> terminal? There is the console window, but I prefer to see the 
>>> terminal instead. On windows this seems to be handled just fine. I'm 
>>> using 1.6.4
>
> With "console window" I was referring to the "terminal output" debug 
> window.
The best way is to provide patches, and make the "terminal output" 
window more comfortable / add functions a terminal would have....

> What setting would that be? Are you possibly referring to the "run 
> parameters" dialog and the "launching application" setting? Activating 
> that gives the following error:
>
> "/usr/bin/gnome-terminal": not in executable format: File format not 
> recognized
>
I don't think you can start it directly with F9 inside any terminal app.

You can of course run it in a terminal (outside the IDE), and then 
attach to it (assuming it waits somewhere so you have time)

An other options is 
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Debugger_Console_App#Redirect_input_and_output_to_a_pty_.28terminal.29
But it is not very convenient either

From brian666 at hughes.net  Sun Mar  5 22:57:04 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 16:57:04 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <92b0544f-d7e4-0d52-5af1-205b3dda4d22@wetron.es>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <4d450156-59da-6932-3122-e8e24a25be95@wetron.es>
 <248cc85d-32f6-c9c7-c5bc-233512d0fdb1@hughes.net>
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On 03/05/2017 01:17 PM, Luca Olivetti via Lazarus wrote:
> El 05/03/17 a les 18:53, brian via Lazarus ha escrit:
>> On 03/05/2017 11:59 AM, Luca Olivetti via Lazarus wrote:
>>> El 05/03/17 a les 15:15, brian666--- via Lazarus ha escrit:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think
>>>> the
>>>> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The
>>>> exit
>>>> code returned is 512.
>>>
>>> Right click on the messages window, copy -> copy all/original messages
>>> to clipboard
>>> Then open a text editor and paste what you just copied, so you can see
>>> the exact linker error.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>
>> Thank you, that found more details of the problem, but I'm still at a
>> loss how to fix it. I think this is the relevant section of the
>> messages...
> 
> I don't know how to fix it either, but try searching google for the
> message "unrecognized relocation (0x2a)": there are a couple of bug
> reports against ubuntu and debian and maybe they apply to your
> distribution.
> 

The bug reports are against the version of libc6 (2.21) found in
Debian testing. Mint Debian uses Jessie, aka stable, and my libc6 is
definitely not the version which is supposed to exhibit the bug.


> brian at brian ~ $ dpkg -l libc6:amd64
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name                     Version           Architecture      Description
> +++-========================-=================-=================-======================================================
> ii  libc6:amd64              2.19-18+deb8u7    amd64             GNU C Library: Shared libraries
> brian at brian ~ $ 




From brian666 at hughes.net  Mon Mar  6 01:11:11 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
 <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1b4fd7e6-75f8-5c02-7e3c-9b5c9fa74026@hughes.net>

On 03/05/2017 10:35 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> On 05/03/17 15:00, brian via Lazarus wrote:
>> On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:> Hi all,> >
>> Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4
>> as> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2
>> (from the> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running
>> 64-bit Linux> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint,
>> on a AMD Phenom> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't
>> seem to work.> > The error is shown as 'Generic error while
>> linking'. I don't think the> source line is relevant, as it tags the
>> 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit> code returned is 512.> > Any ideas,
>> please?>
>> P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World' simple program.
> 
> I built on amd64 using pukka Debian a couple of days ago with no
> problems.  GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.25
> 

Mark, could you please check your version of libc6?

Thanks.



From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Mon Mar  6 10:31:41 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 09:31:41 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <1b4fd7e6-75f8-5c02-7e3c-9b5c9fa74026@hughes.net>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
 <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <1b4fd7e6-75f8-5c02-7e3c-9b5c9fa74026@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <o9ja9t$sau$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 06/03/17 00:30, brian via Lazarus wrote:
> On 03/05/2017 10:35 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:> On 05/03/17 15:00, brian via Lazarus wrote:>> On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:> Hi all,> >>> Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4>> as> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2>> (from the> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running>> 64-bit Linux> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint,>> on a AMD Phenom> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't>> seem to work.> > The error is shown as 'Generic error while>> linking'. I don't think the> source line is relevant, as it tags the>> 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit> code returned is 512.> > Any ideas,>> please?>>> P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World' simple program.> > I built on amd64 using pukka Debian a couple of days ago with no> problems.  GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.25>

> Mark, could you please check your version of libc6?

Like this?

$ sudo ldconfig -v |grep libc
..
         libc.so.6 -> libc-2.19.so

ar, as and ld all at 2.25.

$ uname -a
Linux pye-dev-04 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

That should be an ablutions-standard Debian "Jessie". In the interest of 
full disclosure it's had deb-multimedia enabled to install something 
like Flash at some point, but apart from that I'd expect no surprises.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From brian666 at hughes.net  Mon Mar  6 13:14:31 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 07:14:31 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <o9ja9t$sau$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
 <ee0a2a4c-0921-abbe-6f85-cc078f879283@hughes.net>
 <o9hb8e$j9i$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <1b4fd7e6-75f8-5c02-7e3c-9b5c9fa74026@hughes.net>
 <o9ja9t$sau$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <37c50b29-ff7f-920b-8c02-0ba7cb5cfee1@hughes.net>

On 03/06/2017 04:31 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> On 06/03/17 00:30, brian via Lazarus wrote:
>> On 03/05/2017 10:35 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:> On
>> 05/03/17 15:00, brian via Lazarus wrote:>> On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM,
>> brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:> Hi all,> >>> Just upgraded to the
>> AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4>> as> downloaded from
>> SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2>> (from the> same
>> source) which was working just fine. I'm running>> 64-bit Linux>
>> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint,>> on a AMD
>> Phenom> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't>> seem to
>> work.> > The error is shown as 'Generic error while>> linking'. I
>> don't think the> source line is relevant, as it tags the>> 'end.' in
>> lazarus.pp. The exit> code returned is 512.> > Any ideas,>>
>> please?>>> P.S. Same error when trying to build a 'Hello, World'
>> simple program.> > I built on amd64 using pukka Debian a couple of
>> days ago with no> problems.  GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.25>
> 
>> Mark, could you please check your version of libc6?
> 
> Like this?
> 
> $ sudo ldconfig -v |grep libc
> ..
>         libc.so.6 -> libc-2.19.so
> 
> ar, as and ld all at 2.25.
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux pye-dev-04 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30)
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> That should be an ablutions-standard Debian "Jessie". In the interest
> of full disclosure it's had deb-multimedia enabled to install
> something like Flash at some point, but apart from that I'd expect no
> surprises.
> 

Thanks. The bug reports I read (pointed to by Luca) suggested that it
was the version of libc6 on the system which indicated the problem
would occur, but the suggestion was that it has to be the version in
testing (2.21, I think). You have exactly the same version as I do,
which is what I would expect, LMDE is explicitly said to be based on
Jessie. I think it's time to put a vanilla Jessie in a VM and set up
Lazarus and FPC in that (takes a day or so thanks to this @#$%^*&
satellite internet!) - unless someone else surprises me and comes up
with a fix. I recall it being some kind of problem with a much earlier
version of LMDE and Lazarus/FPC which drove me from Mint to Debian in
the first place. I don't know how they do it... :(


Brian.

From friess at gmx.at  Tue Mar  7 13:12:30 2017
From: friess at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_Frie=c3=9f?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Error: No Memory left at linking Lazarus with fpc trunk
Message-ID: <2733b1c5-67c0-2a45-dc50-d52f79504624@gmx.at>

If i want to recompile Lazarus with some packages i got the following 
error. If the fpc link Lazarus, it was running out of memory !?

git-svn-id: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/trunk at 54324 
4005530d-fff6-0310-9dd1-cebe43e6787f
FPC 3.1.1 i386-win32-win32/win64

with fpc 3.0.2 it works

################################

make: Entering directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus'
C:/Data/development/fpctrunk/fpc/bin/i386-win32/make -C ide idepkg
make[1]: Entering directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus/ide'
../tools/svn2revisioninc.exe .. revision.inc
C:/Data/development/fpctrunk/fpc/bin/i386-win32/make 
--assume-new=lazarus.pp lazarus.exe OPT=' -WG 
@C:\Data\development\LazHugo\idemake.cfg'
make[2]: Entering directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus/ide'
C:/Data/development/fpctrunk/fpc/bin/i386-win32/fpc.exe -gl -vbqewnhi 
-Sci -dlclwin32 -Fu../designer -Fu../debugger -Fu../debugger/frames 
-Fu../converter -Fu../packager -Fu../packager/frames 
-Fu../components/custom -Fuinclude/win -Fuframes -Fu. -Fiinclude 
-Fiinclude/win32 -Fi../images -FE.. -FU../units/i386-win32/win32 -WG 
@C:\Data\development\LazHugo\idemake.cfg -di386 lazarus.pp
Hint: (11030) Start of reading config file 
C:\Data\development\fpctrunk\fpc\bin\i386-win32\fpc.cfg
Hint: (11031) End of reading config file 
C:\Data\development\fpctrunk\fpc\bin\i386-win32\fpc.cfg
Hint: (11030) Start of reading config file 
C:\Data\development\LazHugo\idemake.cfg
Hint: (11031) End of reading config file 
C:\Data\development\LazHugo\idemake.cfg
Free Pascal Compiler version 3.1.1 [2017/02/08] for i386
Copyright (c) 1993-2017 by Florian Klaempfl and others
(1002) Target OS: Win32 for i386
(3104) Compiling lazarus.pp
C:\Data\Hugo\Komponenten\Lazarus\ide\lazarus.pp(109,20) Warning: (5044) 
Symbol "MainFormOnTaskBar" is not portable
(9022) Compiling resource 
C:\Data\Hugo\Komponenten\Lazarus\units\i386-win32\win32\lazarus.or
(9015) Linking ..\lazarus.exe
C:\Data\Hugo\Komponenten\Lazarus\ide\lazarus.pp(159,1) Error: (1026) 
Compilation raised exception internally
Fatal: (1009) No memory left
Error: C:\Data\development\fpctrunk\fpc\bin\i386-win32\ppc386.exe 
returned an error exitcode
make[2]: *** [lazarus.exe] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus/ide'
make[1]: *** [idepkg] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus/ide'
make: *** [idepkg] Error 2
make: Leaving directory `C:/Data/Hugo/Komponenten/Lazarus'
#############################


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Tue Mar  7 13:37:03 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 13:37:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Lazarus] Error: No Memory left at linking Lazarus with fpc
 trunk
In-Reply-To: <2733b1c5-67c0-2a45-dc50-d52f79504624@gmx.at>
References: <2733b1c5-67c0-2a45-dc50-d52f79504624@gmx.at>
Message-ID: <798217424.79573.1488890223646@comcenter.netcologne.de>


> Andreas Frieß via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> hat am 7. März 2017 um 13:12 geschrieben:
> 
> If i want to recompile Lazarus with some packages i got the following
> error. If the fpc link Lazarus, it was running out of memory !?
> 
> git-svn-id: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/trunk at 54324
> 4005530d-fff6-0310-9dd1-cebe43e6787f
> FPC 3.1.1 i386-win32-win32/win64
> 
> with fpc 3.0.2 it works

How much RAM do you have?

FPC 3.1.1 is experimental. When you spot a bug, please try an older revision. If that works, try to find the revision that broke it.

Do you know what package triggers this?

Mattias

From noreply at z505.com  Tue Mar  7 20:02:38 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:02:38 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <89e33463-0af5-48b9-e684-19a4abd1606d@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <1d1f8364-c75c-1540-4361-9c4a28219d7f@gmail.com>
 <0e2dfb39-957c-b881-c1b3-b13e359b2428@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <a0c50c98-c7cb-1514-2b7b-123ad87fa46c@gmail.com>
 <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>
 <89e33463-0af5-48b9-e684-19a4abd1606d@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <61873f45f74ed46b0877f68e4753becc@z505.com>

> I don't run a
> desktop environment, but instead a old-school style Window Manager
> (called JWM - Joe's Window Manager). JWM is extremely light - only uses
> 8MB of RAM so never interferes with application performance tests.
> 
> Regards,
>   Graeme
> 


Do you use JWM just for testing, or JWM all the time for all work?

From brian666 at hughes.net  Tue Mar  7 23:54:54 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 17:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Error when rebuilding the IDE in Lazarus 1.6.4, AMD64
In-Reply-To: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
References: <b90ee8cd-b1d0-707c-1dda-ad85b333a019@meadows.pair.com>
Message-ID: <bf9bd56c-10d7-8668-911b-f68dfe6b692d@hughes.net>

On 03/05/2017 09:15 AM, brian666--- via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just upgraded to the AMD 64 versions of FPC 3.02 and Lazarus 1.6.4 as
> downloaded from SourceForge, I upgraded an instance of 1.6.2 (from the
> same source) which was working just fine. I'm running 64-bit Linux
> Mint 'Betsy', i.e. the Debian-based version of Mint, on a AMD Phenom
> x2. The problem is that rebuilding the IDE doesn't seem to work.
> 
> The error is shown as 'Generic error while linking'. I don't think the
> source line is relevant, as it tags the 'end.' in lazarus.pp. The exit
> code returned is 512.
> 
> Any ideas, please?
> 

Well, the problem appears to be with FPC 3.0.2. Writing just a simple
'Hello World' using the FP IDE exhibits the same problem. Downgrading
to FP 3.0.0 and Lazarus 1.6.2-1 means everything is back to normal. I
guess I'd better head over to the Pascal group and post details there,
unless somebody has beaten me to it.

Brian.



From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 01:40:35 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 00:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <61873f45f74ed46b0877f68e4753becc@z505.com>
References: <1d1f8364-c75c-1540-4361-9c4a28219d7f@gmail.com>
 <0e2dfb39-957c-b881-c1b3-b13e359b2428@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <a0c50c98-c7cb-1514-2b7b-123ad87fa46c@gmail.com>
 <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>
 <89e33463-0af5-48b9-e684-19a4abd1606d@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <61873f45f74ed46b0877f68e4753becc@z505.com>
Message-ID: <57e40753-a48a-1edf-1805-50475eb6ad97@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-07 19:02, Lars via Lazarus wrote:
> Do you use JWM just for testing, or JWM all the time for all work?

I've been using JWM non-stop for the last 4 years! I'll never return to
a bloated "desktop environment" again.

Things I like about it:
 * I only activate the global shortcuts I need like Alt+F2, Alt-Tab.
   Nothing else, so it never conflicts with any application shortcuts.
 * Menus are a breeze to edit. I even used a 3rd party tool that
   generated JWM include files from Gnome/KDE menus (but don't do
   that any more).
 * My desktop/application menu only contains what I need and use, and
   items are grouped to what makes more sense to me.
 * Clicking anywhere on the desktop window brings up the application
   menu.
 * Virtual desktops are built-in, as well as dragging apps from one
   virtual desktop to another
 * A Win95 like "taskbar" is built-in (optional). The same for
   the trayicon areas.
 * A simple theme with rectangular windows (very configurable if you are
   into that kind of stuff, and you can configure rounded corner
   windows too).
 * The ability to restart JWM without having to shut down X11 or any
   of your applications.eg: to refresh the application menus or
   other config settings after being edited.
 * It's fast and very light with RAM usage.
 * Works perfectly with multiple monitors (I have 3), and I configured
   the taskbar to the center monitor only.


I can send you my config file if you want to see my layout.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From chavoux at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 12:51:59 2017
From: chavoux at gmail.com (Chavoux Luyt)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 13:51:59 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
Message-ID: <CAPGeeiEUEC6ecp9SYUkVkyxxsJDM33eju=9FWc0tivjOW-3ziA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Graeme,

<snip>
> I've been using JWM non-stop for the last 4 years! I'll never return to
> a bloated "desktop environment" again.
>
Sounds interesting to me... I always tend to have multiple desktop
environments/window managers installed. i have two questions:
1. Do you have any idea how it compares to Fluxbox? It sounds pretty
similar to me? Maybe even lower on resources?

<snip>
>  * Menus are a breeze to edit. I even used a 3rd party tool that
>    generated JWM include files from Gnome/KDE menus (but don't do
>    that any more).
>
What tool did you use for this? I tend to edit my KDE menus with Kmenuedit
and really do not want to do it all by hand again in a text file (or is
there another way to do this)?

I use Debian (with extra repositories) and find that almost always some of
the programs I have installed with aptitude do not show up on the menu.

Regards,
Chavoux
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From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 13:18:00 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 12:18:00 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <CAPGeeiEUEC6ecp9SYUkVkyxxsJDM33eju=9FWc0tivjOW-3ziA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPGeeiEUEC6ecp9SYUkVkyxxsJDM33eju=9FWc0tivjOW-3ziA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59e36295-85b7-622a-a46d-04ff9c6b3f11@geldenhuys.co.uk>

I replied in a private email.


Regards,
  Graeme


From friess at gmx.at  Wed Mar  8 13:55:12 2017
From: friess at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_Frie=c3=9f?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 13:55:12 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Error: No Memory left at linking Lazarus with fpc
	trunk
In-Reply-To: <798217424.79573.1488890223646@comcenter.netcologne.de>
References: <2733b1c5-67c0-2a45-dc50-d52f79504624@gmx.at>
 <798217424.79573.1488890223646@comcenter.netcologne.de>
Message-ID: <ac64c728-4fb8-c13e-1999-e2d85ba1659d@gmx.at>

I have RAM of 24GB in this machine,

but its a Free Pascal Compiler version 3.1.1 [2017/03/08] for i386   so 
i think there is the RAM limited for this process.

I have tried this with different packages in different constellations to 
find out which package trigger this. But i have a lot of packages in the 
actual project and i need generics.

Can i change the heapsize with-Chxxxxx in the fpc.cfg  and what is the 
default heapsize ?

Andreas


Am 07.03.2017 um 13:37 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus:
>> Andreas Frieß via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> hat am 7. März 2017 um 13:12 geschrieben:
>>
>> If i want to recompile Lazarus with some packages i got the following
>> error. If the fpc link Lazarus, it was running out of memory !?
>>
>> git-svn-id: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/trunk at 54324
>> 4005530d-fff6-0310-9dd1-cebe43e6787f
>> FPC 3.1.1 i386-win32-win32/win64
>>
>> with fpc 3.0.2 it works
> How much RAM do you have?
>
> FPC 3.1.1 is experimental. When you spot a bug, please try an older revision. If that works, try to find the revision that broke it.
>
> Do you know what package triggers this?
>
> Mattias


From luizamericop at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 16:16:26 2017
From: luizamericop at gmail.com (Luiz Americo Pereira Camara)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 12:16:26 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Error: No Memory left at linking Lazarus with fpc
	trunk
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2017-03-07 9:37 GMT-03:00 Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:

>
> How much RAM do you have?
>
> FPC 3.1.1 is experimental. When you spot a bug, please try an older
> revision. If that works, try to find the revision that broke it.
>

I've got the same issue with fpc trunk from september 2016. See
http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/pipermail/lazarus/2016-September/229483.html

The crash occurs when memory usage hit ~ 800MB.


>
> Do you know what package triggers this?
>
>
Probably related to the number of installed packages, at the time i had 78

Seems that code typhon fixed it. See entry 16-Nov-2016 ver 5.90 at
http://www.pilotlogic.com/codetyphon/changeslog.txt

Luiz
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From noreply at z505.com  Wed Mar  8 19:35:35 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 12:35:35 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
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On 2017-03-07 18:40, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> On 2017-03-07 19:02, Lars via Lazarus wrote:
>> Do you use JWM just for testing, or JWM all the time for all work?
> 
> I've been using JWM non-stop for the last 4 years! I'll never return to
> a bloated "desktop environment" again.
> 
> Things I like about it:
>  * I only activate the global shortcuts I need like Alt+F2, Alt-Tab.
>    Nothing else, so it never conflicts with any application shortcuts.
>  * Menus are a breeze to edit. I even used a 3rd party tool that
>    generated JWM include files from Gnome/KDE menus (but don't do
>    that any more).
>  * My desktop/application menu only contains what I need and use, and
>    items are grouped to what makes more sense to me.
>  * Clicking anywhere on the desktop window brings up the application
>    menu.
>  * Virtual desktops are built-in, as well as dragging apps from one
>    virtual desktop to another
>  * A Win95 like "taskbar" is built-in (optional). The same for
>    the trayicon areas.
>  * A simple theme with rectangular windows (very configurable if you 
> are
>    into that kind of stuff, and you can configure rounded corner
>    windows too).
>  * The ability to restart JWM without having to shut down X11 or any
>    of your applications.eg: to refresh the application menus or
>    other config settings after being edited.
>  * It's fast and very light with RAM usage.
>  * Works perfectly with multiple monitors (I have 3), and I configured
>    the taskbar to the center monitor only.
> 
> 
> I can send you my config file if you want to see my layout.
> 
> Regards,
>   Graeme

When I finally get around to installing freebsd, if I can remember.
What do you do when you need to run a Windows lazarus program?

My biggest gripe with bsd/linux is that I'd constantly have to switch 
back to Windows/MacOSX to do testing as those are the major platforms to 
sell apps on. So if I switch to BSD I'd likely end up just having to run 
Windows inside bsd in an emulator anyway. Catch22.  You ever run lazarus 
inside a windows emulator inside bsd? that's likely what I'd end up 
doing, or compiling for windows inside bsd then testing the app in a 
windows emulator. I'm not sure what the emulators/virtualbox's are 
available for bsd.

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 20:08:26 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:08:26 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
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On 2017-03-08 18:35, Lars via Lazarus wrote:
> When I finally get around to installing freebsd, if I can remember.

JWM runs on any X11 system... Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris etc. But yes,
FreeBSD is a brilliant choice. I much prefer it over Linux too.

> What do you do when you need to run a Windows lazarus program?

WINE, just like under Linux. Or you can run VirtualBox with a Windows
guest. This is how I test on various Windows and Linux platforms. I
don't know how any developer can not run some or other VM in this day
and age.

If you speak to Delphi developers, most of them run Delphi in a Windows
VM, using a Apple computer.

VM's also give you a lot of piece-of-mind. If your real hardware fails,
move the VM to any other system and continue where you left off - hardly
any down time. I regularly make backup copies or take snapshots of my
VM's too. Snapshots are very handy for experimentation.

Speaking of emulators, FreeBSD also includes a Linux Emulator (an actual
CentOS 6.6 install I believe), so you can run FreeBSD, Windows and Linux
applications without firing up a VM. Pretty neat!

> I'm not sure what the emulators/virtualbox's are 
> available for bsd.

VirtualBox, Xen, Bhyve, FreeBSD Jail, QEMU etc...  VMWare doesn't
support FreeBSD.  I've been using VirtualBox for about 7 years now
(headless and GUI) and it works brilliantly! Bhyve is actually part of
the base FreeBSD system now, so it's built into the operating system.


As for developing cross-platform applications, even if Windows is your
largest seller, if LCL did it's job correctly, you should be able to
develop under any platform, then simply cross-compile (or compile
natively in a VM) and things should work everywhere the same. In the
real world LCL is unfortunately not there yet, but close.

Pure fpGUI Toolkit applications have had that ability for 7+ years now.
With fpGUI I only develop personal and commercial applications under
FreeBSD, then at release time I compile binaries for other platforms and
test (obviously). Since 7+ years I've never had incompatibilities across
platforms - my applications work everywhere identical. I guess this is
just one of the many benefits of 100% custom written toolkits.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From juha.manninen62 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 22:19:05 2017
From: juha.manninen62 at gmail.com (Juha Manninen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 23:19:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] GUI freeze under GTK2
In-Reply-To: <523811488309429@web11j.yandex.ru>
References: <977611487623042@web13h.yandex.ru> <o8hjvm$ju0$1@blaine.gmane.org>
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:17 PM, denisgolovan <denisgolovan at yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> 28.02.2017, 12:31, "Juha Manninen" <juha.manninen62 at gmail.com>:
>> I tested it and could not see any problems. Everything works as
>> before. However I don't know how to reproduce the original bug.
>> The removed line may be needed for old GTK2 versions or for GTK1.
>> The LCL-GTK2 binding code was copied from LCL-GTK1 and has many
>> historical remains.
>> I applied the change in r54305.
>> Everybody please test with different GTK2 versions and desktop environments.
>
> Thanks.

Ok, it caused a problem after all. See:
 http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31496
The freezing loop must be solved some other way, or maybe the
ButtonPanel layout could be fixed some other way, don't know.

You wrote:
 "VTV itself is rather old version (last commit from May 17 2015)"
There are at least 2 maintained main versions of VTV now, versions 4 and 5.
Could you please update your VTV and test again.
If the problem continues then we need a demo application attached to
the bug report to reproduce the error.
Then somebody, maybe Jesus Reyes, can try to fix it in VTV code.

Any ideas are welcome.

Regards,
Juha

From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar  9 14:01:39 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:01:39 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
Message-ID: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>

Hello,

there is an open issue in Mantis: 
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31037

Mac OSX widgetsets (Carbon, Cocoa) used 72 DPI as default. This brought 
problems with the new LCL-scaling that depends on default 96 DPI. 
Therefore I decided to change the default DPI on these widgetsets to 96. 
This unfortunately made the fonts bigger.

The only solution I can think of is to create a relative DPI scaling to 
the default widgetset value - every DPI/PPI value will be compared to 
the WS DefaultPPI. So instead of DPI/PPI we'll have "ScaleFactor". E.g. 
it means that the property DesignTimePPI will be deleted and changed to 
DesignTimeScaleFactor. Also PixelsPerInch will have the ScaleFactor 
equivalent (I'll keep PixelsPerInch). Probably more changes will be needed.
On Windows: DesignTimePPI=96 -> DesignTimeScaleFactor=100 <- On Mac: 
DesignTimePPI=72. The same goes for PixelsPerInch/ScaleFactor.

---

Or do you have another idea how to make it work? Is it possible to 
change the DPI settings to 96 without font scaling problem (so that 
ScaleFactor is not needed)? Does anybody of you run a Mac? It looks that 
the count of Mac users running Lazarus trunk is very limited - we 
usually get feedback from them when a stable version is released :(

Testing on Mac is very hard for me because I don't have one. I have only 
a VM which is a pain to use.

Ondrej

From mail at michael-ring.org  Thu Mar  9 16:10:43 2017
From: mail at michael-ring.org (Michael Ring)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:10:43 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>

I build Lazarus about every other week from trunk and use it on my Mac. 
I have no idea on how to solve the issue but when you want me to test 
something on trunk let me know....

A Hackintosh could be an alternative for you, haven't used one for a 
looooonnnnnggggggg time but installation was quite straightforward.

Michael


Am 09.03.17 um 14:01 schrieb Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus:
> Hello,
>
> there is an open issue in Mantis: 
> http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31037
>
> Mac OSX widgetsets (Carbon, Cocoa) used 72 DPI as default. This 
> brought problems with the new LCL-scaling that depends on default 96 
> DPI. Therefore I decided to change the default DPI on these widgetsets 
> to 96. This unfortunately made the fonts bigger.
>
> The only solution I can think of is to create a relative DPI scaling 
> to the default widgetset value - every DPI/PPI value will be compared 
> to the WS DefaultPPI. So instead of DPI/PPI we'll have "ScaleFactor". 
> E.g. it means that the property DesignTimePPI will be deleted and 
> changed to DesignTimeScaleFactor. Also PixelsPerInch will have the 
> ScaleFactor equivalent (I'll keep PixelsPerInch). Probably more 
> changes will be needed.
> On Windows: DesignTimePPI=96 -> DesignTimeScaleFactor=100 <- On Mac: 
> DesignTimePPI=72. The same goes for PixelsPerInch/ScaleFactor.
>
> ---
>
> Or do you have another idea how to make it work? Is it possible to 
> change the DPI settings to 96 without font scaling problem (so that 
> ScaleFactor is not needed)? Does anybody of you run a Mac? It looks 
> that the count of Mac users running Lazarus trunk is very limited - we 
> usually get feedback from them when a stable version is released :(
>
> Testing on Mac is very hard for me because I don't have one. I have 
> only a VM which is a pain to use.
>
> Ondrej


From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar  9 16:18:14 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:18:14 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
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Message-ID: <6fd18d56-d740-739b-6657-54c0849f54f1@kluug.net>

On 09.03.2017 16:10, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
> I build Lazarus about every other week from trunk and use it on my 
> Mac. I have no idea on how to solve the issue but when you want me to 
> test something on trunk let me know...

Yes :) If you use Carbon or Cocoa: how does the latest Lazarus IDE look 
like (check that it is built with Application.Scaled (Project Options -> 
Application -> "Use LCL scaling (Hi-DPI)). Is everything fine - text 
size, button size etc? Did anything change from 1.6?

Do you have a retina display? If yes, could you upload a screenshot 
somewhere?

Thanks!
Ondrej

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Mar  9 16:50:28 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:50:28 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
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Message-ID: <d2b0f3ed-de51-7b6b-cfb5-a0914d459364@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-09 15:10, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
> A Hackintosh could be an alternative for you, haven't used one for a 
> looooonnnnnggggggg time but installation was quite straightforward.

I believe the last few releases of VirtualBox allows you to install OSX
without requiring a hacked OSX installer/image. I haven't tried this
myself though. Umm, my wife's iMac came with a OSX Install DVD, maybe I
should give it a try over the weekend.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
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http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From noreply at z505.com  Thu Mar  9 17:05:54 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:05:54 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
Message-ID: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>

TPicture has several width properties in all sorts of places, for 
example:

var p: TPicture;
begin
   ...
   p.width
   p.jpeg.width
   p.bitmap.width
end;

Are any of these pure duplicates that are exactly the same thing, or do 
some of them have different behaviours and should most definitely not be 
used interchangeably?

The easiest to read and shortest is just p.width

This is some kind of possible problem with OOP maybe that there are 
"multiple ways of doing the same thing"... or a feature.. Or, there is a 
good reason these values are available in multiple places? i.e. jpeg 
somehow is independent from the main p.width?

Thanks!

From noreply at z505.com  Thu Mar  9 17:11:48 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:11:48 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
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On 2017-03-08 13:08, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> VM's also give you a lot of piece-of-mind. If your real hardware fails,
> move the VM to any other system and continue where you left off - 
> hardly
> any down time. I regularly make backup copies or take snapshots of my
> VM's too. Snapshots are very handy for experimentation.

Except for the fact that VM's suffer from corrupt hard drive file 
problem. All your files are stored in a file, which is extremely 
dangerous compared to having files stored as separate files. If one 
little bit is f**ked in that hard  drive disk image file, all your work 
is lost, unless you can magically hack the file yourself into good shape 
which is equivalent of trying to make a square become a circle :-)

This is the only real thing stopping me from using vm's more often is if 
I save any work to the VM disk image, it scares me that the disk image 
could become corrupt. You could back it up daily to GIT I suppose, but 
that would be a massive file to upload to git... way too big... Maybe on 
a local git server in your home with a 1000 speed network card instead 
of 10/100
> 
> Speaking of emulators, FreeBSD also includes a Linux Emulator (an 
> actual
> CentOS 6.6 install I believe), so you can run FreeBSD, Windows and 
> Linux
> applications without firing up a VM. Pretty neat!

OpenBSD also allowed you to run Linux exe's (elfs) AFAIR in some kind of 
linux jail on the system.

Too bad OpenBSD developers are a bunch of criminal twats who stalk and 
taunt people, along with restricting speech on their mailing lists. To 
keep this post on topic, I did want Lazarus to run on OpenBSD , not sure 
if any progress has been made there. I know some efforts were made to 
get fpc working. But now I could care less.

From joshyfun at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 17:48:44 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:48:44 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
In-Reply-To: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
References: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
Message-ID: <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>

El 09/03/2017 a las 17:05, Lars via Lazarus escribió:
> TPicture has several width properties in all sorts of places, for example:
>
> var p: TPicture;
> begin
>   ...
>   p.width
>   p.jpeg.width
>   p.bitmap.width
> end;
>
> Are any of these pure duplicates that are exactly the same thing, or do
> some of them have different behaviours and should most definitely not be
> used interchangeably?
>

Hello,

AFAIK:

TPicture.Width is the TGraphic container size.
TPicture.jpeg.Width is the width declared in the jpeg image.
TPicture.Bitmap.Width is the width of the bitmap in pixels.

Mostly the 3 will have the same value but extracted from different sources.

-- 


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Mar  9 17:50:10 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:50:10 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
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On 2017-03-09 16:11, Lars via Lazarus wrote:
> 
> Except for the fact that VM's suffer from corrupt hard drive file 
> problem.

Not a problem if you run a ZFS RAID-Z1 (which I do), or RAID-Z2 or
RAID-Z3 environment. Read a bit (or look on YouTube) about ZFS - it's
f**ken brilliant! A file-system redeveloped from the ground up. I will
not use any other file system ever again.

I use server grade hard drives for the ZFS data pool and my setup allows
one hard drive to fail without loosing data. Ideally you would want ZFS
RAID-Z2 (allowing two drives to fail without loosing data), but I simply
didn't have the space in my casing. So every few years I swap out one
drive at a time for a new one.

In summary, ZFS is a copy-on-write file-system, so existing data is
never overwritten on a write. All drives added to the pool becomes part
of the collective hard drive space (think of it like RAM modules being
plugged into a motherboard). "Partitions" can be created and destroyed
at will, and can grow or shrink with the data. Sensitive data can be
told to have multiple copies stored - scattered over the pool. ZFS does
crc checks before and after read/writes to verify the data, so no faulty
cable, controller or hard drive will silently corrupt your data. And
contrary to what many may think (because of the latter statement), the
performance of ZFS is fantastic.

ZFS (same version as FreeBSD) is now available for Linux too, thanks to
the OpenZFS community - development of ZFS is now a collaborated task.
To install ZFS in Linux is very simple and quick, and unlike a couple
years ago, ZFS doesn't run under FUSE on Linux any more, it's a truly
native file system, just like EXT4, JFS etc.

If you have 3 or more USB memory sticks, use them to play around with
ZFS to get a feel for it. It's a nice and easy way to simulate hard
drive failures etc. You can use virtual VM hard drives too of course.


> This is the only real thing stopping me from using vm's more often is if 
> I save any work to the VM disk image, it scares me that the disk image 
> could become corrupt.

Like I said, I also make the occasional backup of my VM virtual hard
drives by exporting it to a ova file.

As for any code written inside a VM. I normal use-case is to enable a
shared folder in the VM, so my code is not actually stored on the VM's
hard drive, but directly on my ZFS data pool.

Saying that, I do have customer or project specific VM's where the code
is stored in the VM. In such cases, at the end of the day, I simply push
my code changes to my remote Git repository (outside the VM and accessed
via SSH), so I have a second backup copy of the code.

I've been developing like this for over 7 years and haven't lost a
single line of code.

> that would be a massive file to upload to git... way too big... Maybe on 
> a local git server in your home with a 1000 speed network card instead 
> of 10/100

Don't do that. Simply push the code changes, not the VM hard disk.



Now I'm curious... How do other developers work? What environments do
you guys use? Do you develop on VM's or real hardware? Any specific host
OS of choice, VirtualBox, VMWare or something else. Where do you store
your source code - in the VM, outside or both?



Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From joshyfun at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 17:56:50 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:56:50 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Animation library
In-Reply-To: <9303c27ec6444949947a5084a63d82f8@z505.com>
References: <1d1f8364-c75c-1540-4361-9c4a28219d7f@gmail.com>
 <0e2dfb39-957c-b881-c1b3-b13e359b2428@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <a0c50c98-c7cb-1514-2b7b-123ad87fa46c@gmail.com>
 <378912f2-f437-813f-ee45-064601207cb6@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <d7135989-561d-46dd-b6d8-1d06f7254a79@gmail.com>
 <89e33463-0af5-48b9-e684-19a4abd1606d@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <61873f45f74ed46b0877f68e4753becc@z505.com>
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Message-ID: <671ba974-954e-fd21-2026-9f043ed5a167@gmail.com>

El 09/03/2017 a las 17:11, Lars via Lazarus escribió:

> Except for the fact that VM's suffer from corrupt hard drive file
> problem. All your files are stored in a file, which is extremely
> dangerous compared to having files stored as separate files. If one
> little bit is f**ked in that hard  drive disk image file, all your work
> is lost, unless you can magically hack the file yourself into good shape
> which is equivalent of trying to make a square become a circle :-)

Hello,

It is as dangerous as all your files are in a harddisk, if the harddisk 
crashes ( physically ) you lost all your files.

It's almost impossible to corrupt a virtualbox disk image as its inner 
working is too much simple. Even if a corruption happens its very easy 
to convert to a dd raw image and mount it in your favorite OS. The only 
corruption that will certainly ruin your VM disk is a page allocation 
corruption, which is mostly as you overwrite the NTFs MFT and partition 
table and/or  your ext3/4 iNode table.

I'm using my VM's as real computers, so backups are usual but from 
inside the VM (SVN for sources and backups for other files) not a 
virtual disk image copy (VM must be stopped).


-- 


From friess at gmx.at  Thu Mar  9 17:57:58 2017
From: friess at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_Frie=c3=9f?=)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:57:58 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Error: No Memory left at linking Lazarus with fpc
	trunk
In-Reply-To: <CA+nZ=yNdGENb+7=ui6OALPxtLV6Vu=+cO3hy75GoaqiOmvxF=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2733b1c5-67c0-2a45-dc50-d52f79504624@gmx.at>
 <798217424.79573.1488890223646@comcenter.netcologne.de>
 <CA+nZ=yNdGENb+7=ui6OALPxtLV6Vu=+cO3hy75GoaqiOmvxF=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <defb24cd-2bdc-fd71-85a4-5a53fbf9f8ea@gmx.at>

Luiz Americo Pereira Camara via Lazarus wrote:

 > Seems that code typhon fixed it. See entry 16-Nov-2016 ver 5.90 at

I looked for it and made a compare.

One change is in the pp.pas aroud line 150. Now i patched the actual 
trunk 35551. Now fpc compiles the 'Big' Lazarus for me.

Andreas

===============

{$ifdef win32}
   { 256 MB stack }
   { under windows the stack can't grow }
   {$MAXSTACKSIZE 256000000}
   {$setpeflags $20} //=== ct9999 =============
{$else win32}
   {$ifdef win64}
     { 512 MB stack }
     { under windows the stack can't grow }
     {$MAXSTACKSIZE 512000000}
   {$else win64}
     { 1 MB stack }
     {$MINSTACKSIZE 1000000}
   {$endif win64}
{$endif win32}



From noreply at z505.com  Thu Mar  9 18:44:42 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
In-Reply-To: <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>
References: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
 <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <823878e0279d570b92ef16ba367ed590@z505.com>

On 2017-03-09 10:48, José Mejuto via Lazarus wrote:
> 
> AFAIK:
> 
> TPicture.Width is the TGraphic container size.
> TPicture.jpeg.Width is the width declared in the jpeg image.
> TPicture.Bitmap.Width is the width of the bitmap in pixels.
> 
> Mostly the 3 will have the same value but extracted from different 
> sources.
> 

If I start off using a bitmap, and all of a sudden start using jpeg, 
will it automagically work or does one have to initiate the jpeg in some 
way?

Example: you start off working with a classic BMP, but then 60 lines of 
code later you want to work with it as a jpeg. Do you just magically 
start working with a jpeg without any worry, or you have to take some 
precautions?

Likely, this is explained in a article on the wiki somewhere, I don't 
know :-)

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Mar  9 19:42:34 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 21:42:34 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>

On 09.03.2017 16:01, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
> will have the ScaleFactor equivalent (I'll keep PixelsPerInch). 
> Probably more changes will be needed.
> On Windows: DesignTimePPI=96 -> DesignTimeScaleFactor=100 <- On Mac: 
> DesignTimePPI=72. The same goes for PixelsPerInch/ScaleFactor.

IMO it's not needed yet. can you tell why the Mac font becomes bigger? 
If we can find why font becomes bigger, we can try to fix font size. 
maybe default font size is eg 12. then we can change default to eg 10/ or 9

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar  9 19:58:48 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 19:58:48 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>

On 09.03.2017 19:42, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> On 09.03.2017 16:01, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
>> will have the ScaleFactor equivalent (I'll keep PixelsPerInch). 
>> Probably more changes will be needed.
>> On Windows: DesignTimePPI=96 -> DesignTimeScaleFactor=100 <- On Mac: 
>> DesignTimePPI=72. The same goes for PixelsPerInch/ScaleFactor.
>
> IMO it's not needed yet.

It must be sorted out for 1.8 - i.e. this month.

> can you tell why the Mac font becomes bigger?

Because Font: Height := -MulDiv(Size, *PixelsPerInch*, 72);

Ondrej
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From mail at michael-ring.org  Thu Mar  9 20:32:53 2017
From: mail at michael-ring.org (Michael Ring)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:32:53 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <6fd18d56-d740-739b-6657-54c0849f54f1@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
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Message-ID: <b0edb09a-f2da-2cf3-5748-8751d9aa2432@michael-ring.org>

I have a Retina Display, for me the Lazarus IDE looks just fine. There 
are some very minor issues with Buttons not beeing big enough similar, 
but there are only very view.

I cannot judge how Apps built with the option look like, I use Lazarus 
for development on Embedded Controllers only.....

I will send you three screenshots I've made via PM, my Lazarus was built 
with Carbon, running a Cocoa Build now...

Thank you very much for your great work,

Michael


Am 09.03.17 um 16:18 schrieb Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus:
> On 09.03.2017 16:10, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
>> I build Lazarus about every other week from trunk and use it on my 
>> Mac. I have no idea on how to solve the issue but when you want me to 
>> test something on trunk let me know...
>
> Yes :) If you use Carbon or Cocoa: how does the latest Lazarus IDE 
> look like (check that it is built with Application.Scaled (Project 
> Options -> Application -> "Use LCL scaling (Hi-DPI)). Is everything 
> fine - text size, button size etc? Did anything change from 1.6?
>
> Do you have a retina display? If yes, could you upload a screenshot 
> somewhere?
>
> Thanks!
> Ondrej


From mail at michael-ring.org  Thu Mar  9 20:41:20 2017
From: mail at michael-ring.org (Michael Ring)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 20:41:20 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <b0edb09a-f2da-2cf3-5748-8751d9aa2432@michael-ring.org>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
 <6fd18d56-d740-739b-6657-54c0849f54f1@kluug.net>
 <b0edb09a-f2da-2cf3-5748-8751d9aa2432@michael-ring.org>
Message-ID: <4d22bf05-6856-75a7-5c5a-cb0e8a1c884a@michael-ring.org>

Cocoa Build crashes on startup (It was never stable for me, so no 
worries here.....)

Michael


Am 09.03.17 um 20:32 schrieb Michael Ring via Lazarus:
> I have a Retina Display, for me the Lazarus IDE looks just fine. There 
> are some very minor issues with Buttons not beeing big enough similar, 
> but there are only very view.
>
> I cannot judge how Apps built with the option look like, I use Lazarus 
> for development on Embedded Controllers only.....
>
> I will send you three screenshots I've made via PM, my Lazarus was 
> built with Carbon, running a Cocoa Build now...
>
> Thank you very much for your great work,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Am 09.03.17 um 16:18 schrieb Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus:
>> On 09.03.2017 16:10, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
>>> I build Lazarus about every other week from trunk and use it on my 
>>> Mac. I have no idea on how to solve the issue but when you want me 
>>> to test something on trunk let me know...
>>
>> Yes :) If you use Carbon or Cocoa: how does the latest Lazarus IDE 
>> look like (check that it is built with Application.Scaled (Project 
>> Options -> Application -> "Use LCL scaling (Hi-DPI)). Is everything 
>> fine - text size, button size etc? Did anything change from 1.6?
>>
>> Do you have a retina display? If yes, could you upload a screenshot 
>> somewhere?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ondrej
>


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Mar  9 21:37:30 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:37:30 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>

On 09.03.2017 21:58, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
>> can you tell why the Mac font becomes bigger?
>
> Because Font: Height := -MulDiv(Size, *PixelsPerInch*, 72);

If you change 72 here too to 96, it will be okay?

-- 
Regards,
Alexey

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From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar  9 23:01:27 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:01:27 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
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Message-ID: <c557e21b-779d-bb72-e8a4-2997103d654f@kluug.net>

On 09.03.2017 21:37, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> On 09.03.2017 21:58, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
>>> can you tell why the Mac font becomes bigger?
>>
>> Because Font: Height := -MulDiv(Size, *PixelsPerInch*, 72);
>
> If you change 72 here too to 96, it will be okay?
>

Yes, it would behave like before r53712.

------
But actually I now tested the font problem on Mac:

Lazarus 1.6: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) results in different 
visual font height on Windows and Mac.
Lazarus trunk: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) is the same height on 
Windows and Mac.

To me it looks like the change of DPI from 72 to 96 fixed the font size 
problems and made texts look the same. Obviously, when updating from 1.6 
to 1.7 (1.8) people on Mac will have to adjust custom (nonzero) font sizes.

I.e. it looks like no change is required. I will only leave a note about 
it in release information.

If you experience something else and you think I am wrong, please write 
about it. My testing chances on Mac are limited. I'd like to have the 
DPI-Scaling as good as possible for 1.8 RC1.

Ondrej
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From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar  9 23:10:48 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:10:48 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <4d22bf05-6856-75a7-5c5a-cb0e8a1c884a@michael-ring.org>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
 <6fd18d56-d740-739b-6657-54c0849f54f1@kluug.net>
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Message-ID: <680fa44f-757d-342f-3aae-bf8309b148ae@kluug.net>

On 09.03.2017 20:41, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
> Cocoa Build crashes on startup (It was never stable for me, so no 
> worries here.....)

Yes, Cocoa is unfortunately in alpha-state :(

Thank you for your screenshots - everything looks fine. I assume Carbon 
is using some kind of virtual DPI so actually no LCL-scaling is done on 
Retina Mac. I also see there are no font problems.

Did you have to adjust Lazarus editor font height recently? (Due to 
r53712 - http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31037 .)

Ondrej

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 10 04:22:48 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 06:22:48 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <c557e21b-779d-bb72-e8a4-2997103d654f@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
 <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
 <c557e21b-779d-bb72-e8a4-2997103d654f@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <ddcb556b-35c8-7118-d334-1bacabfa4a99@ya.ru>

On 10.03.2017 01:01, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
> But actually I now tested the font problem on Mac:
>
> Lazarus 1.6: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) results in different 
> visual font height on Windows and Mac.
> Lazarus trunk: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) is the same height on 
> Windows and Mac.

Yes, i posted the same info in above msg, with 2 screenshots (from OSX 
and Linux Cudatext editor)

and wanted to say that font looks of same size. So no problem with 
bigger font on Mac

-- 

Regards,
Alexey


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 10 06:38:26 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:38:26 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
Message-ID: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>

Ondrej,

seems I cannot see how scaling works on Mac. Reason: MacOS don't scale 
coords of controls, and don't have event "scale changed". It scales 
using Retina thing when i call video mode "nnn x nnn hi-dpi". It means: 
only DPI changes, coords dont change (controls must draw in high dpi, 
but on same x,y-x2,y2)


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 10 06:53:07 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:53:07 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <ce95f4ea-46cd-79d1-4744-174c658a559d@ya.ru>

This picture is OS opts:

here you see, max NNxNN dont change, but only hi-dpi "added to video mode".
Alex
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From mail at michael-ring.org  Fri Mar 10 08:43:33 2017
From: mail at michael-ring.org (Michael Ring)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:43:33 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <680fa44f-757d-342f-3aae-bf8309b148ae@kluug.net>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <2e335d0b-87c4-822a-3549-0337eee4397b@michael-ring.org>
 <6fd18d56-d740-739b-6657-54c0849f54f1@kluug.net>
 <b0edb09a-f2da-2cf3-5748-8751d9aa2432@michael-ring.org>
 <4d22bf05-6856-75a7-5c5a-cb0e8a1c884a@michael-ring.org>
 <680fa44f-757d-342f-3aae-bf8309b148ae@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <87e16f01-f0e1-dab6-25c1-ce4118c635a2@michael-ring.org>

No, I did not touch font sizes for a while, your change is from December 
so my memory may already have faded....


Michael

Am 09.03.17 um 23:10 schrieb Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus:
> On 09.03.2017 20:41, Michael Ring via Lazarus wrote:
>> Cocoa Build crashes on startup (It was never stable for me, so no 
>> worries here.....)
>
> Yes, Cocoa is unfortunately in alpha-state :(
>
> Thank you for your screenshots - everything looks fine. I assume 
> Carbon is using some kind of virtual DPI so actually no LCL-scaling is 
> done on Retina Mac. I also see there are no font problems.
>
> Did you have to adjust Lazarus editor font height recently? (Due to 
> r53712 - http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31037 .)
>
> Ondrej


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Mar  9 22:25:30 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:25:30 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
 <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <74cbebc6-d574-06dd-b528-eecd8f5b6860@ya.ru>

Ondrej,
2 pictures. Cudatext on Linux, text font size =9. Cudatext on OSX 10.8, 
font size (other font but siimilar) =9.
Font size looks same. on both OSes. No difference 30-50%.

(Mac Font dialog shows size=12 for LCL font size=9. you know.)
No problem so?

Alex
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From lazarus at kluug.net  Fri Mar 10 12:54:14 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:54:14 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>

On 10.03.2017 6:38, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> seems I cannot see how scaling works on Mac. Reason: MacOS don't scale 
> coords of controls, and don't have event "scale changed". It scales 
> using Retina thing when i call video mode "nnn x nnn hi-dpi". It 
> means: only DPI changes, coords dont change (controls must draw in 
> high dpi, but on same x,y-x2,y2)

To me it looks like Carbon applications are scaled automatically by the 
OS. Something similar to what also Windows uses if you switch High-DPI 
awarness off.

That means the regardless of your screen (retina, non-retina) the DPI is 
always 96. So there shouldn't be any LCL-scaling involved.

It's only what I see from the pictures and the code, I cannot test it 
myself because I don't have a retina screen to check.

Ondrej

From lazarus at kluug.net  Fri Mar 10 12:56:04 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:56:04 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <ddcb556b-35c8-7118-d334-1bacabfa4a99@ya.ru>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
 <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
 <c557e21b-779d-bb72-e8a4-2997103d654f@kluug.net>
 <ddcb556b-35c8-7118-d334-1bacabfa4a99@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <39ade7ec-0ea5-eacf-4c18-43c079eac96e@kluug.net>

On 10.03.2017 4:22, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> On 10.03.2017 01:01, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
>> But actually I now tested the font problem on Mac:
>>
>> Lazarus 1.6: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) results in different 
>> visual font height on Windows and Mac.
>> Lazarus trunk: Font.Size=8 (or any other value) is the same height on 
>> Windows and Mac.
>
> Yes, i posted the same info in above msg, with 2 screenshots (from OSX 
> and Linux Cudatext editor)
>
> and wanted to say that font looks of same size. So no problem with 
> bigger font on Mac

Alexey, thank you for the screenshots.

It means that before r53712 the Linux and OSX font was rendered with 
different size.

So everything is good now :)

Ondrej

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 10 12:58:29 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:58:29 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
 <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <371ba953-a74d-1a84-c987-43d463cffab7@ya.ru>


 >To me it looks like Carbon applications are scaled automatically by 
the OS. Something similar to what also Windows

yes, it is what I see too. Scaled automatically by OS

 >That means the regardless of your screen (retina, non-retina) the DPI 
is always 96. So there shouldn't be any LCL-scaling involved.

yes. right. But i tested only 10.8, and not sure about new OSes, 10.11, 
10.12...

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Fri Mar 10 14:04:43 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:04:43 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac users: High-DPI
In-Reply-To: <74cbebc6-d574-06dd-b528-eecd8f5b6860@ya.ru>
References: <f12e1a37-5463-1b44-a449-dcbb11b0c192@kluug.net>
 <e3ea4401-9892-6063-a463-1abc89384d61@ya.ru>
 <4cf6f9f4-f7bd-1ba1-2d4f-a1c86b442071@kluug.net>
 <0f98f103-5e91-0710-0701-47c756041304@ya.ru>
 <74cbebc6-d574-06dd-b528-eecd8f5b6860@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <2aed0630-04af-db9b-797d-db188d421dcb@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-09 21:25, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> No problem so?

Something different.  See attached screenshot. You got to laugh at
Canonical (ie: Ubuntu) for thinking this is a good design! The menu and
window title all being garbled. Can't they just leave menus the way they
were - or if they want to copy OSX, at least doing a decent job of it. WTF!

Regards,
  Graeme

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From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 18:01:33 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:01:33 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
In-Reply-To: <823878e0279d570b92ef16ba367ed590@z505.com>
References: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
 <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>
 <823878e0279d570b92ef16ba367ed590@z505.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=meXWUOZLZCpc5YAm9hbJ11_-5L3TPyQaHORYeT_pCZ601aQ@mail.gmail.com>

You can check yourself easily: Ctrl+Click on the p.Width to go to the
definition of the property, then Ctrl+Click on the GetWidth getter,
Ctrl+Shift+Down arrow to see the code for the getter and see that it simply
gets FGraphic's property. So what is FGraphic? Ctrl+Home to move at the top
of the source code (you'd be in picture.inc) and search for "FGraphic :="
to see where it is assigned (the source code style in that file seems to
put a space before := in assignments). You can see that it is used in a
bunch of places, so you can see where those uses are. ForceType is the
first one and if you search for that one, you'll find that it is used
wherever a type-specific property (p.Jpeg, p.Bitmap, etc) is used -
presumably to convert the underlying graphic to the requested type. So the
FGraphic object is actually an instance of the TBitmap,
TPortableNetworkGraphic, TJpegImage, etc (depending what you loaded and/or
accessed last).

So what p.Width gives you is the FGraphic's width or 0 if there is no
FGraphic loaded (because a picture may have nothing loaded until you either
load it directly or try to access any of the Bitmap, Jpeg, PNG, etc
properties). So if you already have a picture loaded from a PNG file,
p.Width, p.Graphic.Width and p.PNG.Width will give you the same number. If
your picture doesn't have a graphic (e.g. it is a newly constructed object)
then p.Width gives you 0, p.Graphic.Width will crash your program (FGraphic
is nil) and p.PNG.Width will give you zero (because accessing the PNG
property will call the ForceType function which will create a
TPortableNetworkGraphic object that by default is undefined and gives you
zero width).

Question for the readers: what happens to the image if you load a PNG file
with alpha values using TPicture's LoadFromFile, access the
TPicture.Jpeg.Width property and then save the picture as a PNG file using
TPicture's SaveToFile? Is the alpha component preserved? Do you get jpeg
artifacts? Why?

Bonus question: why is R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height) worse
than R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height)? Why is R := Rect(0, 0,
p.Width, p.Height) better than either of them?

You can find the answers to those (and many more) using Ctrl+Click,
Ctrl+Shift+Up/Down Arrow, Search and back and forward buttons (helps to
have a mouse with those). Considering how big and complex LCL is, it helps
to be able to navigate and familiarize yourself with its source code :-).


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Lars via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On 2017-03-09 10:48, José Mejuto via Lazarus wrote:
>
>>
>> AFAIK:
>>
>> TPicture.Width is the TGraphic container size.
>> TPicture.jpeg.Width is the width declared in the jpeg image.
>> TPicture.Bitmap.Width is the width of the bitmap in pixels.
>>
>> Mostly the 3 will have the same value but extracted from different
>> sources.
>>
>>
> If I start off using a bitmap, and all of a sudden start using jpeg, will
> it automagically work or does one have to initiate the jpeg in some way?
>
> Example: you start off working with a classic BMP, but then 60 lines of
> code later you want to work with it as a jpeg. Do you just magically start
> working with a jpeg without any worry, or you have to take some precautions?
>
> Likely, this is explained in a article on the wiki somewhere, I don't know
> :-)
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
>
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From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 18:03:29 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:03:29 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
In-Reply-To: <CAH=meXWUOZLZCpc5YAm9hbJ11_-5L3TPyQaHORYeT_pCZ601aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
 <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>
 <823878e0279d570b92ef16ba367ed590@z505.com>
 <CAH=meXWUOZLZCpc5YAm9hbJ11_-5L3TPyQaHORYeT_pCZ601aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=meXULT=mdDHPEtaESLMUGwxQb-qoku4b3mddXyDM1bNVv2w@mail.gmail.com>

Of course the second part should have been Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width,
p.Jpeg.Height)? :-P

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos <
badsectoracula at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can check yourself easily: Ctrl+Click on the p.Width to go to the
> definition of the property, then Ctrl+Click on the GetWidth getter,
> Ctrl+Shift+Down arrow to see the code for the getter and see that it simply
> gets FGraphic's property. So what is FGraphic? Ctrl+Home to move at the top
> of the source code (you'd be in picture.inc) and search for "FGraphic :="
> to see where it is assigned (the source code style in that file seems to
> put a space before := in assignments). You can see that it is used in a
> bunch of places, so you can see where those uses are. ForceType is the
> first one and if you search for that one, you'll find that it is used
> wherever a type-specific property (p.Jpeg, p.Bitmap, etc) is used -
> presumably to convert the underlying graphic to the requested type. So the
> FGraphic object is actually an instance of the TBitmap,
> TPortableNetworkGraphic, TJpegImage, etc (depending what you loaded and/or
> accessed last).
>
> So what p.Width gives you is the FGraphic's width or 0 if there is no
> FGraphic loaded (because a picture may have nothing loaded until you either
> load it directly or try to access any of the Bitmap, Jpeg, PNG, etc
> properties). So if you already have a picture loaded from a PNG file,
> p.Width, p.Graphic.Width and p.PNG.Width will give you the same number. If
> your picture doesn't have a graphic (e.g. it is a newly constructed object)
> then p.Width gives you 0, p.Graphic.Width will crash your program (FGraphic
> is nil) and p.PNG.Width will give you zero (because accessing the PNG
> property will call the ForceType function which will create a
> TPortableNetworkGraphic object that by default is undefined and gives you
> zero width).
>
> Question for the readers: what happens to the image if you load a PNG file
> with alpha values using TPicture's LoadFromFile, access the
> TPicture.Jpeg.Width property and then save the picture as a PNG file using
> TPicture's SaveToFile? Is the alpha component preserved? Do you get jpeg
> artifacts? Why?
>
> Bonus question: why is R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height) worse
> than R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height)? Why is R := Rect(0, 0,
> p.Width, p.Height) better than either of them?
>
> You can find the answers to those (and many more) using Ctrl+Click,
> Ctrl+Shift+Up/Down Arrow, Search and back and forward buttons (helps to
> have a mouse with those). Considering how big and complex LCL is, it helps
> to be able to navigate and familiarize yourself with its source code :-).
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Lars via Lazarus <
> lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-03-09 10:48, José Mejuto via Lazarus wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> AFAIK:
>>>
>>> TPicture.Width is the TGraphic container size.
>>> TPicture.jpeg.Width is the width declared in the jpeg image.
>>> TPicture.Bitmap.Width is the width of the bitmap in pixels.
>>>
>>> Mostly the 3 will have the same value but extracted from different
>>> sources.
>>>
>>>
>> If I start off using a bitmap, and all of a sudden start using jpeg, will
>> it automagically work or does one have to initiate the jpeg in some way?
>>
>> Example: you start off working with a classic BMP, but then 60 lines of
>> code later you want to work with it as a jpeg. Do you just magically start
>> working with a jpeg without any worry, or you have to take some precautions?
>>
>> Likely, this is explained in a article on the wiki somewhere, I don't
>> know :-)
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lazarus mailing list
>> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
>> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
>>
>
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From noreply at z505.com  Fri Mar 10 18:52:01 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:52:01 -0600
Subject: [Lazarus] TPicture width questions (duplicate ways)
In-Reply-To: <CAH=meXWUOZLZCpc5YAm9hbJ11_-5L3TPyQaHORYeT_pCZ601aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13d4a249f884e3d2d45ef6b34cb2c494@z505.com>
 <5fe41707-fea4-40cf-0b71-e0dada37f83b@gmail.com>
 <823878e0279d570b92ef16ba367ed590@z505.com>
 <CAH=meXWUOZLZCpc5YAm9hbJ11_-5L3TPyQaHORYeT_pCZ601aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <820d351d9c6319dc5a65390b44f034e9@z505.com>

On 2017-03-10 11:01, Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus wrote:
> You can check yourself easily: Ctrl+Click on the p.Width to go to the
> definition of the property, then Ctrl+Click on the GetWidth getter,
> Ctrl+Shift+Down arrow to see the code for the getter and see that it
> simply gets FGraphic's property.

You can check the current sources but that does not mean it will stay 
that way, or that the current sources do not have a bug in them... the 
documentation would tell you how it is supposed to act, and, the source 
is one particular implementation, which could not match up with what the 
doc says, in that case it is buggy ;-)

But thanks very much for explaining it: indeed I figured any call to 
.jpeg.someproperty would immediately automagically do the work for you

  So what is FGraphic? Ctrl+Home to
> move at the top of the source code (you'd be in picture.inc) and
> search for "FGraphic :=" to see where it is assigned (the source code
> style in that file seems to put a space before := in assignments). You
> can see that it is used in a bunch of places, so you can see where
> those uses are. ForceType is the first one and if you search for that
> one, you'll find that it is used wherever a type-specific property
> (p.Jpeg, p.Bitmap, etc) is used - presumably to convert the underlying
> graphic to the requested type. So the FGraphic object is actually an
> instance of the TBitmap, TPortableNetworkGraphic, TJpegImage, etc
> (depending what you loaded and/or accessed last).
> 

This is very useful - I thought maybe it  would be in a wiki or docs 
somewhere.. It may be...

> So what p.Width gives you is the FGraphic's width or 0 if there is no
> FGraphic loaded (because a picture may have nothing loaded until you
> either load it directly or try to access any of the Bitmap, Jpeg, PNG,
> etc properties). So if you already have a picture loaded from a PNG
> file, p.Width, p.Graphic.Width and p.PNG.Width will give you the same
> number. If your picture doesn't have a graphic (e.g. it is a newly
> constructed object) then p.Width gives you 0, p.Graphic.Width will
> crash your program (FGraphic is nil) and p.PNG.Width will give you
> zero (because accessing the PNG property will call the ForceType
> function which will create a TPortableNetworkGraphic object that by
> default is undefined and gives you zero width).
> 
> Question for the readers: what happens to the image if you load a PNG
> file with alpha values using TPicture's LoadFromFile, access the
> TPicture.Jpeg.Width property and then save the picture as a PNG file
> using TPicture's SaveToFile? Is the alpha component preserved? Do you
> get jpeg artifacts? Why?
> 
> Bonus question: why is R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height)
> worse than R := Rect(0, 0, p.Jpeg.Width, p.PNG.Height)? Why is R :=
> Rect(0, 0, p.Width, p.Height) better than either of them?
> 
> You can find the answers to those (and many more) using Ctrl+Click,
> Ctrl+Shift+Up/Down Arrow, Search and back and forward buttons (helps
> to have a mouse with those). Considering how big and complex LCL is,
> it helps to be able to navigate and familiarize yourself with its
> source code :-).

IMO the docs should always describe the theory of an object/procedure, 
and therefore if any time the source code is buggy, the docs are the 
official sources to what a function does.. :-)

Thanks much for documenting it in this mailing list !

Some of your comments, IMO should be uploaded to wiki/docs somewhere
But I'm unfamiliar with how the docs updating process works

From friess at gmx.at  Sat Mar 11 09:20:14 2017
From: friess at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_Frie=c3=9f?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:20:14 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Projectgroups in Sourceeditor Toolbar
Message-ID: <8c7451fe-914a-aef7-8544-e88bf9929849@gmx.at>

Is there an way to bring the menuentries of the projectgroups in the 
toolbar of the sourceeditor ?

If i go into the 'Toolbar Configuration', i didn't find the entries like 
'Open Projectgroup', in the mainmenu it is shown, but not in the editor.

Lazarus 1.7 rUnversioned directory FPC 3.1.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 
(Lazarus trunk/ FPC trunk)

Andreas


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sat Mar 11 10:49:25 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:49:25 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Projectgroups in Sourceeditor Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <8c7451fe-914a-aef7-8544-e88bf9929849@gmx.at>
References: <8c7451fe-914a-aef7-8544-e88bf9929849@gmx.at>
Message-ID: <20170311104925.027ee424@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:20:14 +0100
Andreas Frieß via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Is there an way to bring the menuentries of the projectgroups in the 
> toolbar of the sourceeditor ?
> 
> If i go into the 'Toolbar Configuration', i didn't find the entries like 
> 'Open Projectgroup', in the mainmenu it is shown, but not in the editor.
> 
> Lazarus 1.7 rUnversioned directory FPC 3.1.1 i386-win32-win32/win64 
> (Lazarus trunk/ FPC trunk)

Now you can.

Mattias

From fjf.vanleeuwen at quicknet.nl  Sat Mar 11 14:57:08 2017
From: fjf.vanleeuwen at quicknet.nl (frans)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Colorconversion in htmlreport
Message-ID: <c919c4c9-e4c1-1c91-9ad2-8f2aff880d3d@quicknet.nl>

Hi.
I use Lazarus 1.6.2 with FPC 3.0.0 on Windows 10. I use htmlreport to 
create webpages.
My problem is the use of colorcodes. I want to use the color #D8FFF4. 
But the function Color2HTML translate that code to $00D8FFF4# and that 
gives a totally different color.
I've searched the internet for a converter but found nothing. Therefor I 
have 2 questions:
1. What does the colorcode $00000000# mean? It's not ?RGB.
2. What code should I use to get the colorresult I want?

-- 
mvg
Frans van Leeuwen
M 06-51695390


From bartjunk64 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 11 16:52:42 2017
From: bartjunk64 at gmail.com (Bart)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:52:42 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Colorconversion in htmlreport
In-Reply-To: <c919c4c9-e4c1-1c91-9ad2-8f2aff880d3d@quicknet.nl>
References: <c919c4c9-e4c1-1c91-9ad2-8f2aff880d3d@quicknet.nl>
Message-ID: <CAMye31y0i-OE8=VS0sNckgVZ_hdHewewWmp+0p-g9VZzrwcasg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/11/17, frans via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> I want to use the color #D8FFF4.
> But the function Color2HTML translate that code to $00D8FFF4#

That makes no sense to me.
#D8FFF4 looks like HTML color coding, so calling ColorToHTML on that
makes no sense (or the name of that makes no sense).

Here's a ColorToHtml function from the SynExportHtml unit that works
correctly (at least in my limited tests):

function ColorToHTML(AColor: TColor): string;
var
  RGBColor: TColorRef;
  RGBValue: byte;
const
  Digits: array[0..15] of char = '0123456789ABCDEF';
begin
  Result := '';
  case AColor of
    clRed:     Result := 'red';
    clGreen:   Result := 'green';
    clBlue:    Result := 'blue';
    clPurple:  Result := 'purple';
    clYellow:  Result := 'yellow';
    clBlack:   Result := 'black';
    clWhite:   Result := 'white';
    clGray:    Result := 'gray';
    clMaroon:  Result := 'maroon';
    clFuchsia: Result := 'fuchsia';
    clLime:    Result := 'lime';
    clNavy:    Result := 'navy';
    clAqua:    Result := 'aqua';
    clTeal:    Result := 'teal';
    clSilver:  Result := 'silver';
  end;
  if (Result <> '') then
    Exit;
  RGBColor := ColorToRGB(AColor);
  Result := '#000000';
 {****************}
  RGBValue := GetRValue(RGBColor);
  if RGBValue > 0 then begin
    Result[2] := Digits[RGBValue shr  4];
    Result[3] := Digits[RGBValue and 15];
  end;
 {****************}
  RGBValue := GetGValue(RGBColor);
  if RGBValue > 0 then begin
    Result[4] := Digits[RGBValue shr  4];
    Result[5] := Digits[RGBValue and 15];
  end;
 {****************}
  RGBValue := GetBValue(RGBColor);
  if RGBValue > 0 then begin
    Result[6] := Digits[RGBValue shr  4];
    Result[7] := Digits[RGBValue and 15];
  end;
end;

Note that the represetation of TColor and HTML color (if you both
write them out as hex) is not in the same order.

Bart

From zeljko at holobit.net  Sat Mar 11 17:58:07 2017
From: zeljko at holobit.net (zeljko)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:07 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
 <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <3d256aa4-8fbe-a83b-4ac1-1713f917b583@holobit.net>

On 03/10/2017 12:54 PM, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:

> To me it looks like Carbon applications are scaled automatically by the
> OS. Something similar to what also Windows uses if you switch High-DPI
> awarness off.
>
> That means the regardless of your screen (retina, non-retina) the DPI is
> always 96. So there shouldn't be any LCL-scaling involved.

hm...just tested Qt4 and Qt5 on MacOSX.
Qt4 - MacOSX 10.8.6 32 bit (qt4 library uses carbon for it's widgets)
Qt5 - MacOSX 10.11 64 bit (qt5 library uses cocoa for it's widgets).

When Application.Scaled = False fonts of some controls are resized to 
smaller fonts (DesignTimePPI on both macs says 72 ) - so my question are 
here:
1. is 96dpi hardcoded somewhere, so it underscales some fonts in case 
when dpi is 72 - even with Application.Scaled := False. ?

2. Some forms eg. About lazarus is shown too small, seem that it's 
scaled to the smaller size because of dpi 72. (ide have 
application.scaled := True by default), also Find Dialog is reduced but 
all child controls of FindDialog haven't scaled fonts ,so dialog isn't 
sized well.

Note that both cases were fine before HiDPI changes, also please keep in 
mind that Lazarus OSX isn't carbon or cocoa only, but qt4 and qt5 too.

On linux and windows everything works pretty nice (Application.Scaled := 
true and Application.Scaled := false) with qt4 and qt5 widgetsets.

My app is designed on linux (96 dpi) and then just rebuilded on mac (if 
that matters), also Mac 10.8.6 is iMac with resolution 1440x900 72dpi, 
Mac 10.11 have resolution 1920x1200 72dpi (this one is running inside 
vmware).

Any hints ?

zeljko




From donald at ziesig.org  Sat Mar 11 18:51:55 2017
From: donald at ziesig.org (Donald Ziesig)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 12:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] HI-DPI Strangeness
Message-ID: <0c527e00-2028-9a0c-23fd-dadcad10ed10@ziesig.org>

Hi All!

I have noticed strange behavior with Lazarus 1.7 in the HI-DPI mode.  
This took some trial and error to find since the connections are not at 
all obvious.  I am using Linux Mint 18 and have the same problem with 
both MATE and XFCE desktop managers.

When I log out/shutdown/restart and return to Lazarus, the Object 
Inspector DPI settings are all at 96 (even though they were all at 144 
when I shutdown Lazarus).  The IDE Icons are all tiny (almost 
invisible), the source editor windows all had a very small font size, 
the Form designers were all hosed, and the programs built with Lazarus 
(after the restart) all appear to be compiled with 96 DPI.  I tried 
rebuilding the IDE, but that had no impact.  The DPI remained at 96 as 
did everything else.

Here is the weird part.

After restarting, I opened a terminal and entered the command "xdpyinfo 
| grep dots" to see how it was set.  The response was 144x144.   
Apparently the window manager(s) got the message ;-) even if Lazarus did 
not.  Note that I did NOT enter any other commands except for the xdpyinfo.

BUT....

When I restarted Lazarus the IDE Icons, the Form Designers and the 
source editor fonts were were correctly sized, and the programs built 
with Lazarus were correctly sized for 144dpi.

I have appropriate xrandr and xdpyinfo commands in .bash_profile and 
.bash_login (redundancy can't hurt :-D).  They don't seem to help.  I 
restarted again, opened a terminal (which showed my debug "echo"s so the 
two files were executed) and did nothing else.  I then CLOSED the 
terminal and started Lazarus.  It came up in 144dpi mode!!!!!!!.

I can not tell where the interaction between Lazarus and the window 
managers fails, and I have a work-around (open terminal before starting 
Lazarus) so the problem is not serious, but it remains an annoyance.

=====

One more minor issue.  The Main Menu editor still has issues with the 
height of fonts in HI-DPI mode, as in:

Again this is not serious, just annoying.


Thanks,

Don Ziesig


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From lazarus at kluug.net  Sat Mar 11 21:37:27 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:37:27 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <3d256aa4-8fbe-a83b-4ac1-1713f917b583@holobit.net>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
 <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
 <3d256aa4-8fbe-a83b-4ac1-1713f917b583@holobit.net>
Message-ID: <3f10c078-b379-d3fc-1602-3bb99cbfc4ae@kluug.net>

On 11.03.2017 17:58, zeljko wrote:
> Qt4 - MacOSX 10.8.6 32 bit (qt4 library uses carbon for it's widgets)
> Qt5 - MacOSX 10.11 64 bit (qt5 library uses cocoa for it's widgets).
>
> When Application.Scaled = False fonts of some controls are resized to 
> smaller fonts (DesignTimePPI on both macs says 72 ) - so my question 
> are here:
> 1. is 96dpi hardcoded somewhere, so it underscales some fonts in case 
> when dpi is 72 - even with Application.Scaled := False. ?
>
> 2. Some forms eg. About lazarus is shown too small, seem that it's 
> scaled to the smaller size because of dpi 72. (ide have 
> application.scaled := True by default), also Find Dialog is reduced 
> but all child controls of FindDialog haven't scaled fonts ,so dialog 
> isn't sized well.
>
> Note that both cases were fine before HiDPI changes, also please keep 
> in mind that Lazarus OSX isn't carbon or cocoa only, but qt4 and qt5 too.
>
> On linux and windows everything works pretty nice (Application.Scaled 
> := true and Application.Scaled := false) with qt4 and qt5 widgetsets.

The LCL expects 100% scaling at 96 PPI. This is hard-coded now.

We have 2 possible solutions:

A.) Force Qt4 and Qt5 on Mac OSX to return 96 PPI instead of 72 PPI (the 
same to what I changed Carbon and Cocoa in 
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31037 ).

B.) Make the 100% scaling value OS-dependent. On Windows and Linux it 
would be 96 PPI and on Mac OSX 72 PPI. (This is what I suggested in the 
first email of the "Mac users: High-DPI" thread):

/[...] to create a relative DPI scaling to the default widgetset value - 
every DPI/PPI value will be compared to the WS DefaultPPI. So instead of 
DPI/PPI we'll have "ScaleFactor". E.g. it means that the property 
DesignTimePPI will be deleted and changed to DesignTimeScaleFactor. Also 
PixelsPerInch will have the ScaleFactor equivalent (I'll keep 
PixelsPerInch). Probably more changes will be needed. //
//On Windows: DesignTimePPI=96 -> DesignTimeScaleFactor=100 <- On Mac: 
DesignTimePPI=72. The same goes for PixelsPerInch/ScaleFactor. //
/
(A) is easier to implement so maybe we could test it first. Zeljko, 
could you please try with the attached patch (I am not sure about the 
DARWIN define - maybe you need another one for MacOSX).

Ondrej
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===================================================================
--- lcl/interfaces/qt/qtwinapi.inc	(revision 54381)
+++ lcl/interfaces/qt/qtwinapi.inc	(working copy)
@@ -2958,9 +2958,17 @@
     SIZEPALETTE:
       Result := QPaintDevice_numColors(PaintDevice);
     LOGPIXELSX:
+    {$IFDEF DARWIN}
+      Result := 96;
+    {$ELSE}
       Result := QPaintDevice_logicalDpiX(PaintDevice);
+    {$ENDIF}
     LOGPIXELSY:
+    {$IFDEF DARWIN}
+      Result := 96;
+    {$ELSE}
       Result := QPaintDevice_logicalDpiY(PaintDevice);
+    {$ENDIF}
     VERTRES:
       Result := QPaintDevice_height(PaintDevice);
     NUMRESERVED:

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sun Mar 12 08:03:31 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:03:31 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Mac Hi-DPI 2
In-Reply-To: <3f10c078-b379-d3fc-1602-3bb99cbfc4ae@kluug.net>
References: <7e5fd4a5-6f61-6d7e-4594-7b650ada5243@ya.ru>
 <c09a0f36-fb65-a1f6-7231-1aa8adfbd6de@kluug.net>
 <3d256aa4-8fbe-a83b-4ac1-1713f917b583@holobit.net>
 <3f10c078-b379-d3fc-1602-3bb99cbfc4ae@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <a7441639-a8fe-38a5-bc51-7b2ce11c6092@ya.ru>

On 11.03.2017 23:37, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus wrote:
> We have 2 possible solutions:
>
The solition 3) don't scale the app down, from 96 LCL to 72, to any 
lower value than 96.

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From friess at gmx.at  Mon Mar 13 08:09:47 2017
From: friess at gmx.at (=?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_Frie=c3=9f?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:09:47 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Projectgroups in Sourceeditor Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <20170311104925.027ee424@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <8c7451fe-914a-aef7-8544-e88bf9929849@gmx.at>
 <20170311104925.027ee424@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <ffa0c4ff-1357-4378-0ff4-71af417872a5@gmx.at>

THX Mattias.

Another Featurerequest, in the Project group windows, can you add the 
MRU-List "Open recent project groups" too please. Because it is not 
possible to open Lazarus with a Projectgroup ind winwows, with a simple 
doublecklick for me. It opens always the file in the editor, but doesn't 
load the project group itself.

Andreas



From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Mon Mar 13 08:46:05 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (John Landmesser)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 03:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?do_you_like_that=3F?=
Message-ID: <1935607790.20170313104605@gmx.de>

Hey friend, 

Take a look at the stuff I've  got from  my friend,  do you like something like that? Check it out http://set.kitchenplantastic.com/7e7f

Thanks for your consideration, John Landmesser

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From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 14:06:19 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:06:19 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] JCF not formatting uses clause
Message-ID: <639ce7bc-57cf-36fb-0aca-d10df81bd39b@geldenhuys.co.uk>

Hi

I have the following unit. No matter what I try, I can't get JCF to
correct the indentation of the uses clause shown below. Anybody know
what setting I need to change - or is this not supported in Lazarus's JCF?

This seems like a bug in JCF (include with Lazarus), because I can run
the original jcfGui.exe binary from the original JCF project on
SourceForge, and it correctly formats the below code, and aligns the
uses clause lines.

========================
unit createpicscomponent;

{$mode objfpc}{$H+}

interface

uses
  Classes,
    SysUtils,
      math,
        FPG;

type

  TCreatePicsComponent = class(TComponent)
  end;

implementation

end.
========================

Attached is my JCF config file in that might help.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
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http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

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From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Mon Mar 13 14:14:29 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:14:29 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] JCF not formatting uses clause
In-Reply-To: <639ce7bc-57cf-36fb-0aca-d10df81bd39b@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <639ce7bc-57cf-36fb-0aca-d10df81bd39b@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <89f97f73-1a6c-270e-8137-2c604dfba6b9@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-13 13:06, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> This seems like a bug in JCF (include with Lazarus), because I can run
> the original jcfGui.exe binary from the original JCF project on
> SourceForge, and it correctly formats the below code, and aligns the
> uses clause lines.

Solved it. It seems I kept looking in the wrong place (Indentation or
Alignment settings).

This time I did a screen-by-screen comparison between Lazarus JCF
settings and  the original jcfGUI.exe settings from SourceForge.

The magic settings is under "Clarify -> Line Breaking -> Returns" and
then you must tick the "One uses clause per line" checkbox. Without
this, indentation and alignment of uses clauses don't take affect at
all.  :-/

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com  Mon Mar 13 18:08:14 2017
From: tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com (Tony Whyman)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:08:14 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
Message-ID: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>

Has anyone thought about supporting https on the Lazarus (and Free 
Pascal) websites? Firefox, for example, is getting increasingly sniffy 
about unprotected websites and for good reason.

It would also be useful to protect the svn feeds, if only to reduce the 
risk of a man in the middle attack sneaking something nasty into the 
source code.

Let's encrypt (https://letsencrypt.org/) seems to offer a very good free 
service for https certificates where the objective is to protect the 
connection and give reasonable confidence  that you are talking to the 
named website, so there does not seem to be a cost reason why https is 
not supported.

Tony Whyman

MWA


From capricorn8159 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 13 18:27:38 2017
From: capricorn8159 at gmail.com (Shaun O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:27:38 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
Message-ID: <b5643d14-d6fe-e875-1811-4b3e5efb4a4d@gmail.com>

in light of recent disclosures i would  not be too optimistic about 
https at this point in time since if an endpoint is compromised https 
will offer no real meaningfull protection in some cases. however having 
said that at least there is some degree of protection against compromise 
of data.


On 13/03/2017 17:08, Tony Whyman via Lazarus wrote:
> Has anyone thought about supporting https on the Lazarus (and Free 
> Pascal) websites? Firefox, for example, is getting increasingly sniffy 
> about unprotected websites and for good reason.
>
> It would also be useful to protect the svn feeds, if only to reduce 
> the risk of a man in the middle attack sneaking something nasty into 
> the source code.
>
> Let's encrypt (https://letsencrypt.org/) seems to offer a very good 
> free service for https certificates where the objective is to protect 
> the connection and give reasonable confidence  that you are talking to 
> the named website, so there does not seem to be a cost reason why 
> https is not supported.
>
> Tony Whyman
>
> MWA
>


From marc at dommelstein.nl  Mon Mar 13 22:50:02 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:50:02 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
Message-ID: <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>

It is one of my plans to enable it for the lazarus sites. 

Mar 

On March 13, 2017 6:08:14 PM GMT+01:00, Tony Whyman via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>Has anyone thought about supporting https on the Lazarus (and Free 
>Pascal) websites? Firefox, for example, is getting increasingly sniffy 
>about unprotected websites and for good reason.
>
>It would also be useful to protect the svn feeds, if only to reduce the
>
>risk of a man in the middle attack sneaking something nasty into the 
>source code.
>
>Let's encrypt (https://letsencrypt.org/) seems to offer a very good
>free 
>service for https certificates where the objective is to protect the 
>connection and give reasonable confidence  that you are talking to the 
>named website, so there does not seem to be a cost reason why https is 
>not supported.
>
>Tony Whyman
>
>MWA
>
>-- 
>_______________________________________________
>Lazarus mailing list
>Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
>http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus

From sysrpl at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 11:38:20 2017
From: sysrpl at gmail.com (Anthony Walter)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 06:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>

I just thought I'd share my experience with http://www.getlazarus.org

I added https to it a few months ago using let's encrypt. The experience
was pretty easy.

The only hiccup I had/still have is that I serve images/video using S3 with
a subdomain CNAME to improve performance. I had to use a separate
certificate from Amazon for that content else I wouldn't get the green
badge to the left the URL in every browser. Amazon's tool to get a
certificate for S3/Cloudfront buckets is straight forward enough.

You can find non secure items on a page like in the scenario I described
above using any browsers developers tools console window. It will warn
about your security errors at the top of the console.

Finally, switch to using // in your html and css when specifying website
links/resources. This causes the client to use the same protocol for those
items which was used to request the main page. That is say image: url(//
images.mysite.org/banner.jpg) vs url(https://images.mysite.org/banner.jpg).
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From marc at dommelstein.nl  Tue Mar 14 12:16:31 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:16:31 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c312e87d-5010-a05c-f42b-d7762ff21e6b@dommelstein.nl>

As a test I used Letsencrypt for my own site. If successful then I 
planned to update Lazarus. My first automated certificate update went 
smooth, so Lazarus is next.

One mayor issue with Letsencrypt is that all automated update processes 
re-generate the CSR. Since our hoster supports dnsseq you don't want 
that. So I spent some time to create my own update scripts using my own 
CSR. Since these proved OK, Lazarus is next.

Marc

BTW, subdomains shouldn't be a problem

Anthony Walter wrote:
> I just thought I'd share my experience with http://www.getlazarus.org
>
> I added https to it a few months ago using let's encrypt. The experience
> was pretty easy.
>
> The only hiccup I had/still have is that I serve images/video using S3
> with a subdomain CNAME to improve performance. I had to use a separate
> certificate from Amazon for that content else I wouldn't get the green
> badge to the left the URL in every browser. Amazon's tool to get a
> certificate for S3/Cloudfront buckets is straight forward enough.
>
> You can find non secure items on a page like in the scenario I described
> above using any browsers developers tools console window. It will warn
> about your security errors at the top of the console.
>
> Finally, switch to using // in your html and css when specifying website
> links/resources. This causes the client to use the same protocol for
> those items which was used to request the main page. That is say image:
> url(//images.mysite.org/banner.jpg
> <http://images.mysite.org/banner.jpg>) vs
> url(https://images.mysite.org/banner.jpg).


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 12:20:18 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:20:18 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <daab9adb-5c99-6cd0-97db-08752c6591b3@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-14 10:38, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
> I just thought I'd share my experience with http://www.getlazarus.org
> I added https to it a few months ago using let's encrypt. The experience
> was pretty easy.

Indeed, Let's Encrypt is really easy to use and implement.


> The only hiccup I had/still have is that I serve images/video using S3 with
> a subdomain CNAME to improve performance. I had to use a separate

Unrelated to this really... I hate the way websites are designed these
days (but probably no way of going back to what it was a few years
back). Website are becoming "fat".

Take "www.getlazarus.org" as an example. Loading the full page from
scratch is a 1.244 MByte download. Of that, only 46KB is actual content
(HTML). That equates to a mere 3% of the whole download being content!

Please note, this is not a direct reflection on getlazarus.org only -
this seems to be the general trend of most websites on the internet
these days.

To verify, use F12 (Firefox) to see the developer window, select
Network, then click "Toggle Performance analysis". See the pie chart on
the right.


"http://www.lazarus-ide.org/" is slightly better, but still not great.
There 11% of the 181.19KB download is actual content.

"http://www.freepascal.org/" is even better still. There 21.9% of the
total 36.69KB download is actual content.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From sysrpl at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 13:07:24 2017
From: sysrpl at gmail.com (Anthony Walter)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <daab9adb-5c99-6cd0-97db-08752c6591b3@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <daab9adb-5c99-6cd0-97db-08752c6591b3@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAHmPLWXQRjK6m17UzZKLA+A1KaoFU1F2xmsyPu=yNRdRe4tV2g@mail.gmail.com>

Graeme,

By far most of the heavy stuff is images and I don't see that as a bad
thing. If you have a subject you want people to explore, you need to
represent it well. Of course a website could just be static text, but if
put some screen shots on the front page, maybe a gallery, rotating images
linking to articles, a page header background, IMO you're more likely to
get people stay, look around, and maybe read an article or explore further.
Of course that's all subjective.
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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Wed Mar 15 18:26:40 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:26:40 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE FindInFiles tool button
Message-ID: <f6a787bd-3c3a-bcf2-00ba-9ba798c2582c@ya.ru>

I placed toolbar btn for FindInFiles action. I use to often- even if no 
editor tabs opened.

But if no editor tabs opened, IDE don't do action on click on this 
button. (like button disabled, but it's enabled.)

Maybe Ondrej, or some, can see this? (Mantis issue already posted)


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From brian666 at hughes.net  Thu Mar 16 00:39:08 2017
From: brian666 at hughes.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWXQRjK6m17UzZKLA+A1KaoFU1F2xmsyPu=yNRdRe4tV2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <daab9adb-5c99-6cd0-97db-08752c6591b3@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <CAHmPLWXQRjK6m17UzZKLA+A1KaoFU1F2xmsyPu=yNRdRe4tV2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2c31b0d-c596-4bac-8ac1-0ed0320bae47@hughes.net>

On 03/14/2017 08:07 AM, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
> Graeme,
> 
> By far most of the heavy stuff is images and I don't see that as a bad
> thing. If you have a subject you want people to explore, you need to
> represent it well. Of course a website could just be static text, but
> if put some screen shots on the front page, maybe a gallery, rotating
> images linking to articles, a page header background, IMO you're more
> likely to get people stay, look around, and maybe read an article or
> explore further. Of course that's all subjective.
> 

It's also not correct, at least for some folks. You are, of course,
entitled to write your website any way you like it, but the 'heavy
stuff' to which you refer means that people like me won't dare come
and 'explore'. Living where I do, I have precisely two options for
internet access, dial-up and metered satellite access. From the size
given in a previous message, just loading your front page will cost me
almost 0.5% of my total daily bandwidth allowance.

If your sort of attitude prevails, I confidently expect that at some
future point I will have to go back 20+ years and resume using Lynx as
my browser.

Brian.



From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 10:50:16 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:50:16 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWXQRjK6m17UzZKLA+A1KaoFU1F2xmsyPu=yNRdRe4tV2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <CAHmPLWUtYQXjWtJBN6Qip3emkp19oHb6La_p+TWazWsR7EKK4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <daab9adb-5c99-6cd0-97db-08752c6591b3@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <CAHmPLWXQRjK6m17UzZKLA+A1KaoFU1F2xmsyPu=yNRdRe4tV2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbb4a7ef-7acf-a1cd-3de4-accae6a1ca74@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-14 12:07, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
> If you have a subject you want people to explore, you need to
> represent it well. 

Apple does a lot of things wrong (these days), but they also do a lot of
things right when it comes to design. Using good Typography (via CSS
only) can look just as good, without the "heavy images" part. Or at
least, you can reduce the amount of large images you need.

But as Brian mentioned, it's your website (I think), and everybody is
allowed to implement their websites with their own ideas. ;-)

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Mar 16 11:51:43 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:51:43 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Widgetset TPenMode- where?
Message-ID: <24b4f030-74a3-edac-36f9-3235ec7de756@ya.ru>

I cannot find where Carbon makes code for TPenMode (I need to see why 
one mode works bad, pmNotXor)

I search TPenMode and find only gtk3 items??

+Search for "TPenMode" in "/home/user/lazarus/lcl/interfaces" (4 matches 
in 1 files)
     </home/user/lazarus/lcl/interfaces>: #4
         <gtk3>: #4
             <gtk3objects.pas>: #4
                 <(98)>:     FPenMode: TPenMode;
                 <(110)>:     procedure SetPenMode(AValue: TPenMode);
                 <(123)>:     property Mode: TPenMode read FPenMode 
write SetPenMode;
                 <(782)>: procedure TGtk3Pen.SetPenMode(AValue: TPenMode);

+Search for "pmNot" in "/home/user/lazarus/lcl/interfaces" (5 matches in 
1 files)
     </home/user/lazarus/lcl/interfaces>: #5
         <gtk3>: #5
             <gtk3objects.pas>: #5
                 <(1005)>:     pmNotXor: cairo_set_operator(Widget, 
CAIRO_OPERATOR_XOR);
                 <(1007)>:     pmNot,
                 <(1009)>:     pmNotCopy,
                 <(1015)>:     pmNotMerge,
                 <(1017)>:     pmNotMask,}

so where widgetsets do it? How to fix pmXor/pmNotXor?

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Mar 16 12:19:08 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:19:08 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <0624d94b-2547-35bd-b959-7a19f26c4a27@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-13 21:50, Marc Weustink via Lazarus wrote:
> It is one of my plans to enable it for the lazarus sites. 

And now with Firefox 52, it gives you a "in your face" warning that you
are logging into a unsecure website. Only only the crossed out padlock
in the URL, but also a popup warning below the Username field.

See the "Other Firefox 52 changes"


https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-releases-firefox-52-the-first-browser-to-support-webassembly/


So I guess everybody is pushing for HTTPS everywhere.


Regards,
  Graeme



From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Mar 16 16:12:05 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:12:05 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Widgetset TPenMode- where?
In-Reply-To: <24b4f030-74a3-edac-36f9-3235ec7de756@ya.ru>
References: <24b4f030-74a3-edac-36f9-3235ec7de756@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <4042c2a7-e128-d8a1-dccd-bc3dfbdbd2d3@ya.ru>

I found it- it is R2_nnnn int values, for each of TPenMode values.
Alexey

From marc at dommelstein.nl  Fri Mar 17 17:57:56 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:57:56 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] https website for Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <0624d94b-2547-35bd-b959-7a19f26c4a27@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <8ba9af30-69e4-1a13-3e3e-cd89cae32673@mccallumwhyman.com>
 <87A3A0D8-C253-4CA4-AD44-95BC6012A533@dommelstein.nl>
 <0624d94b-2547-35bd-b959-7a19f26c4a27@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c19cf4b9-856b-5b2b-3c15-205227bd7b54@dommelstein.nl>

Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> On 2017-03-13 21:50, Marc Weustink via Lazarus wrote:
>> It is one of my plans to enable it for the lazarus sites.
>
> And now with Firefox 52, it gives you a "in your face" warning that you
> are logging into a unsecure website. Only only the crossed out padlock
> in the URL, but also a popup warning below the Username field.

Yep... I noticed for some internal pages here :(

Anyway, I've enabled https for all lazarus sites (served by lazarus-ide.org)


Marc


From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Sat Mar 18 10:53:46 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:53:46 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE crash
Message-ID: <23a6b0c1-0f7b-9d4e-0547-378d73d5d8d2@c-m-w.me.uk>

I am seeing the following crash in r54438 and later; this is on adding a 
panel to an empty project:

AddComponent TPanel Parent=Form1:TForm1 125,63,0,0
Parent is 'Form1:TForm1'
Hint: (lazarus) [TPkgManager.AddUnitDependenciesForComponentClasses] 
Extending Uses unit1.pas ExtCtrls
Codetools  Stack trace:
   $00000000008C0655  FINDNODE,  line 771 of codetoolsstructs.pas
   $00000000008C177C  GETSTRING,  line 1046 of codetoolsstructs.pas
   $00000000008DBC51  SEARCHCASEDININCPATH,  line 4003 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008DB8A7  SEARCHINCLUDEFILE,  line 4075 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008DC161  INCLUDEFILE,  line 4094 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008DB238  INCLUDEDIRECTIVE,  line 3888 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D6A43  SHORTSWITCHDIRECTIVE,  line 3202 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D6BC3  DODIRECTIVE,  line 3221 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D0D44  HANDLEDIRECTIVE,  line 1757 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D2736  READCURLYCOMMENT,  line 2189 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D0FCF  READNEXTTOKEN,  line 1801 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000008D20CE  SCAN,  line 2100 of linkscanner.pas
   $00000000009531DD  BEGINPARSING,  line 1992 of customcodetool.pas
   $000000000096FDED  BEGINPARSING,  line 8354 of finddeclarationtool.pas
   $00000000009395F0  BUILDTREE,  line 598 of pascalparsertool.pas
   $000000000096EBD2  BUILDINTERFACEIDENTIFIERCACHE,  line 8158 of 
finddeclarationtool.pas
   $000000000096E9E8  FINDIDENTIFIERININTERFACE,  line 8044 of 
finddeclarationtool.pas
### TCodeToolManager.HandleException: "EAccessViolation: Access violation"

Is it just me?

Colin

From lazarus at kluug.net  Sat Mar 18 11:09:04 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:09:04 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE crash
In-Reply-To: <23a6b0c1-0f7b-9d4e-0547-378d73d5d8d2@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <23a6b0c1-0f7b-9d4e-0547-378d73d5d8d2@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <a3278f35-b741-7654-44b2-c9beb5acc1eb@kluug.net>

On 18.03.2017 10:53, C Western via Lazarus wrote:
> Is it just me?

No, not only you: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31561

Ondrej

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sat Mar 18 12:07:49 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:07:49 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Toolbar config- small issue
Message-ID: <b02eb61b-4820-f792-0e9a-f6c7df7638fd@ya.ru>

At picture i see now "lblSelect" name on right



-- 
Regards,
Alexey

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From michael at freepascal.org  Sat Mar 18 14:20:15 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 14:20:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Lazarus] Support for lldb ?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>


Hi,

After 2 days of struggle trying to get gdb to work on mac os sierra,
I've given up. Apple clearly wants you to use lldb.

Is support for lldb for Lazarus planned ?

Michael.

From juha.manninen62 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 14:57:57 2017
From: juha.manninen62 at gmail.com (Juha Manninen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:57:57 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Toolbar config- small issue
In-Reply-To: <b02eb61b-4820-f792-0e9a-f6c7df7638fd@ya.ru>
References: <b02eb61b-4820-f792-0e9a-f6c7df7638fd@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <CAPN1EhAZkCw9cV=SqPKUF84D8JxmMNQM1zYQGjivNTpgvM8y7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Alexey via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> At picture i see now "lblSelect" name on right

Fixed in r54443.

Juha

From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Sat Mar 18 17:43:35 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (Gabor Boros)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?yeah=2C_I=27ve_found_it!?=
Message-ID: <1952678021.20170318194335@gmx.de>

Greetings, 

I've been looking for that stuff since  our last conversation and  I guess I've found it at last! Check it out  http://order.burgproperties.com/e5e4


Thanks for your consideration, Gabor Boros

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From bartjunk64 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 18:47:10 2017
From: bartjunk64 at gmail.com (Bart)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:47:10 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] yeah, I've found it!
In-Reply-To: <1952678021.20170318194335@gmx.de>
References: <1952678021.20170318194335@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <CAMye31w-n8wDpsyJmxedkSvGshXjit6aCXHaTmNtE-VFFxD+pA@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/18/17, Gabor Boros via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> I've been looking for that stuff since  our last conversation and  I guess
> I've found it at last! Check it out  http://order.burgproperties.com/e5e4

WARNING:

FF reports that as a misleading link.

Bart

From de.jean.7777 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 19:26:49 2017
From: de.jean.7777 at gmail.com (Dejan Boras)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:26:49 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] yeah, I've found it!
In-Reply-To: <CAMye31w-n8wDpsyJmxedkSvGshXjit6aCXHaTmNtE-VFFxD+pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1952678021.20170318194335@gmx.de>
 <CAMye31w-n8wDpsyJmxedkSvGshXjit6aCXHaTmNtE-VFFxD+pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMm5k1tePwQpdJhvwGor6k7xvGekQMrjzWdwaQrexR=uxTtNOA@mail.gmail.com>

It's spam

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 18:47 Bart via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
wrote:

> On 3/18/17, Gabor Boros via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
> > I've been looking for that stuff since  our last conversation and  I
> guess
> > I've found it at last! Check it out
> http://order.burgproperties.com/e5e4
>
> WARNING:
>
> FF reports that as a misleading link.
>
> Bart
> --
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From juha.manninen62 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 18 19:31:04 2017
From: juha.manninen62 at gmail.com (Juha Manninen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:31:04 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE crash
In-Reply-To: <a3278f35-b741-7654-44b2-c9beb5acc1eb@kluug.net>
References: <23a6b0c1-0f7b-9d4e-0547-378d73d5d8d2@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <a3278f35-b741-7654-44b2-c9beb5acc1eb@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <CAPN1EhBpQGa4irjjaj6hQWqv1m_7pJg=qZKFe9TY3yz1Swdnmg@mail.gmail.com>

Please test with r54447.

Juha

From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Sun Mar 19 09:48:35 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:48:35 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE crash
In-Reply-To: <CAPN1EhBpQGa4irjjaj6hQWqv1m_7pJg=qZKFe9TY3yz1Swdnmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23a6b0c1-0f7b-9d4e-0547-378d73d5d8d2@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <a3278f35-b741-7654-44b2-c9beb5acc1eb@kluug.net>
 <CAPN1EhBpQGa4irjjaj6hQWqv1m_7pJg=qZKFe9TY3yz1Swdnmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab12239-42cb-bbbe-80f4-47f00adb9df0@c-m-w.me.uk>

On 18/03/17 18:31, Juha Manninen via Lazarus wrote:
> Please test with r54447.
>
> Juha
>
Happy to confirm this is fixed - thank you.

Colin

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sun Mar 19 18:57:37 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:57:37 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Last diff for MonitorCount
Message-ID: <03f6eee7-45a2-5730-792b-323ead854d78@ya.ru>

diff has 3 places of same (almost) text:


-    Result := nil;
+  if (MonitorHandle = 0) and (MonitorDefault = mdNull) then
+    Result := nil
+  else
+  begin
+    // the user expects some monitor but handle wasn't found -> the 
monitor list has probably changed
+    UpdateMonitors;
+    for i := 0 to MonitorCount - 1 do
+      if Monitors[i].Handle = MonitorHandle then
+        Exit(Monitors[i]);
+    RaiseGDBException('TScreen.MonitorFromWindow'); // internal error
+  end;

This is good to put to procedure with AErrorMsg: string.


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Sun Mar 19 23:31:37 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:31:37 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Support for lldb ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <6bbaa5b5-c0bb-dc1d-31df-b692e208795d@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-18 13:20, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:
> After 2 days of struggle trying to get gdb to work on mac os sierra,
> I've given up. Apple clearly wants you to use lldb.

I feel your pain, but at the hardware level. G*D DAMN APPLE! They are
driving me insane! What an evil company, purposely breaking things so
others can't use the stuff they created (and we legally bought).

[rant on]
eg: The Apple SuperDrive (their USB CD-ROM/DVD drive). What a pretty
looking USB CD/DVD USB drive. You would think Apple would be proud
selling that to anybody. Yeah right! It works perfectly with any Mac
computer. Plug it into any PC, and it doesn't want to swallow any disk.
They hacked the USB-to-IDE hardware interface in the SuperDrive, and
purposely broke the USB-to-IDE interface standard, so only their drivers
work. Luckily some hacker figured out what they did, and if you run
FreeBSD and Linux it is pretty easy to fix. All you need to do when you
want to use the Apple SuperDrive after it is plugged in, is to send it a
7 byte "wake-up" sequence. Then it behaves as normal and will accept
CDs/DVDs without problem - until it is unplugged. Apple f***ers, you
will not see another penny from me, ever again!
[rant off]

Regards,
  Graeme


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Sun Mar 19 23:37:16 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:37:16 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Support for lldb ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <55f9f5ec-70ef-ca66-3072-c500551344af@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-18 13:20, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:
> Is support for lldb for Lazarus planned ?

Maybe it's time the fpdebug (native Object Pascal debugger) gets some
more attention, or the FPC team starts implementing there own debugger.
What good is a compiler without a debugger (something I've been saying
for years).

Last time I tested Lazarus's fpdebug, progress was going well, but
unfortunately (and very strangely), only Windows was supported (maybe
Linux now too?). No idea why, because lots of the code comes from the
duby debugger project, and there Linux, Mac and Windows was supported. I
forked duby and worked on 64-bit support and adding FreeBSD too.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From skalogryz.lists at gmail.com  Mon Mar 20 04:17:52 2017
From: skalogryz.lists at gmail.com (Dmitry Boyarintsev)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Support for lldb ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703181419020.31403@home.telenet.be>
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On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Is support for lldb for Lazarus planned ?


Technically, it should not be a problem.
lldb allows to debug any application, it's not llvm specific at all.

I'm actually using lldb a little bit, for iphone-laz extension.
Nothing fancy - it launches a simulator and then hijacks its stdout (by
redirecting it from the simulator app) to be shown on the IDE side. It
works just fine for fpc compiled apps.

Back in a days (pre lldb era), I tried to adapt Apple's gdb for Lazarus
needs, but couldn't figure out Lazarus debugger apis. (it was too gnu gdb
oriented). It has changed since, but I didn't touch it.

thanks,
Dmitry
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From kapibara.pas at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 09:42:24 2017
From: kapibara.pas at aol.com (kapibara)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:42:24 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] sqoKeepOpenOnCommit
Message-ID: <fd8bc85a-0ff6-673f-cc4e-14ddff8c8842@aol.com>

I started using TSQLQuery's new property sqoKeepOpenOnCommit instead of 
CommitRetaining. When the app is closing there is now this error:

Quote

    Operation cannot be performed on an active dataset

Happens only if sqoKeepOpenOnCommit is true.

If the dataset is closed before exiting the application this doesn't 
happen. Is this a bug?

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From michael at freepascal.org  Mon Mar 20 09:45:31 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:45:31 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Lazarus] sqoKeepOpenOnCommit
In-Reply-To: <fd8bc85a-0ff6-673f-cc4e-14ddff8c8842@aol.com>
References: <fd8bc85a-0ff6-673f-cc4e-14ddff8c8842@aol.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703200945001.17360@home.telenet.be>



On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, kapibara via Lazarus wrote:

> I started using TSQLQuery's new property sqoKeepOpenOnCommit instead of 
> CommitRetaining. When the app is closing there is now this error:
>
> Quote
>
>   Operation cannot be performed on an active dataset
>
> Happens only if sqoKeepOpenOnCommit is true.
>
> If the dataset is closed before exiting the application this doesn't happen. 
> Is this a bug?

It depends. 
Can you reproduce this with a non-LCL application ?

Michael.

From kapibara.pas at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 10:24:35 2017
From: kapibara.pas at aol.com (kapibara)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:24:35 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] sqoKeepOpenOnCommit
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703200945001.17360@home.telenet.be>
References: <fd8bc85a-0ff6-673f-cc4e-14ddff8c8842@aol.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703200945001.17360@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <6805a677-a2e7-40ec-138f-f888f1c36f37@aol.com>

Made a console app which worked fine, and now the Lazarus the app 
doesn't have to close the query either. Problem disappeared over night. 
:-)  No idea what that was, I tested repeatedly yesterday. Oh well, 
sorry for bothering!

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Mon Mar 20 14:48:08 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:48:08 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Was bug on moving to 2nd monitor
Message-ID: <9016d227-804b-c0b5-3251-d0b9e8c46caf@ya.ru>

Bug report about manifest on Win10: opt "dpi aware = true/PM".
it works bad, if:
- I maximized Cudatext window on 1st monitor
- I drag window caption to 2nd monitor
On moved to 2nd mon, Cudatext window takes 0x0 size, limited to minimal 
window size(?).
It is about 100x30pixels now, all content of window hides (only frame 
shown).

...later I got last trunk. fix for MonitorCount fixed it


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Mon Mar 20 18:04:30 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TSplitter refuses to move to the left with mouse (but
	moves via code)
Message-ID: <bc87c329-5df9-9558-a57d-0d48b8754c6c@gmx.de>

I have a TSplitter that separates elements on the left from those on the right.
I use code to move this splitter to the left or right in an KeyDown routine.
Example:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
case Key of VK_LEFT :
    begin
    if Shift=[ssShift] then
       begin
       if SplitterLinks.Left>50 then
          begin
          SplitterLinks.Left := SplitterLinks.Left-5;
          end;
    Key := 0;
    end;
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This works fine for moving to the left and to the right.

But when I try to move the splitter with the mouse,
only moving to the right works okay.
Moving to the left only moves the splitter 1 pixel (I think).
Moving it again moves it another 1 pixel and so on.
But I cannot move it multiple pixels in one step (as I can when
moving the right).

Is this a bug?

The splitter is not anchored to the left or right (only top and bottom).
Instead, elements on the left and right are anchored to the splitter.


From lacak at zoznam.sk  Wed Mar 22 14:19:43 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
Message-ID: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>

Hi,

I am sure taht this question was already asked, but I can not find clear 
answer.

Is there possibility to create Lazarus application with GUI which will 
run on Raspberi Pi - ARM - Windows 10 IoT ?
(Target OS=Win32, Target CPU=Arm ?)

If not, is there possibility to create same application for Raspberi Pi 
- ARM - Linux ?
(Target OS=Linux, Target CPU=Arm ? ... can I crosscompile from 
Linux/i386 to Linux/Arm ?)

Thanks

-Laco.


From michael at freepascal.org  Wed Mar 22 14:31:47 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:31:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>



On Wed, 22 Mar 2017, LacaK via Lazarus wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am sure taht this question was already asked, but I can not find clear 
> answer.
>
> Is there possibility to create Lazarus application with GUI which will 
> run on Raspberi Pi - ARM - Windows 10 IoT ?
> (Target OS=Win32, Target CPU=Arm ?)
>
> If not, is there possibility to create same application for Raspberi Pi 
> - ARM - Linux ?
> (Target OS=Linux, Target CPU=Arm ? ... can I crosscompile from 
> Linux/i386 to Linux/Arm ?)

The latter definitely should work. I cannot comment on the former (windows).

Michael.

From marc at dommelstein.nl  Wed Mar 22 14:50:26 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <0827ca17-fde8-c8f8-f8f3-84e91e2099d8@dommelstein.nl>

LacaK via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am sure taht this question was already asked, but I can not find clear
> answer.
>
> Is there possibility to create Lazarus application with GUI which will
> run on Raspberi Pi - ARM - Windows 10 IoT ?
> (Target OS=Win32, Target CPU=Arm ?)

 From what I've read, I fear not. I haven't tested it yet, but from what 
I understand, windows IOT uses a subset of the windows api, implemented 
by a different set of dlls. Besides that I wonder if fpc can generate 
win32-arm startup code.

Marc


From mse00000 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 22 14:55:31 2017
From: mse00000 at gmail.com (Martin Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:55:31 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <201703221455.31216.mse00000@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:19:43 LacaK via Lazarus wrote:
>
> If not, is there possibility to create same application for Raspberi Pi
> - ARM - Linux ?
> (Target OS=Linux, Target CPU=Arm ? ... can I crosscompile from
> Linux/i386 to Linux/Arm ?)
>
Yes:
https://www.mail-archive.com/mseide-msegui-talk at lists.sourceforge.net/msg08750.html

Martin

From vojtech.cihak at atlas.cz  Wed Mar 22 22:35:45 2017
From: vojtech.cihak at atlas.cz (=?utf-8?q?Vojt=C4=9Bch_=C4=8Cih=C3=A1k?=)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus]
	=?utf-8?q?TSplitter_refuses_to_move_to_the_left_with_mo?=
	=?utf-8?q?use_=28but_moves_via_code=29?=
In-Reply-To: 000000006fba00006c8c010a50b5
References: 000000006fba00006c8c010a50b5
Message-ID: <20170322223545.BE76C880@atlas.cz>

Hi,
 
It is caused by property TSplitter.MinSize. I just tested, when I move by mouse, I'm stopped on this value. But with code, I can go below this limit. You can modify the code:
 
if Splitter1.Left>Splitter1.MinSize then
  ...
(and set MinSize to 50 in Object Inspector).
 
so the limit will be the same for both mouse and keyboard.
 
V.
______________________________________________________________
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> Komu: Lazarus mailing list <lazarus at lists.lazarus.freepascal.org>
> Datum: 20.03.2017 18:04
> Předmět: [Lazarus] TSplitter refuses to move to the left with mouse (but moves via code)
>
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From lazarusforumadmin at freepascal.org  Thu Mar 23 09:55:00 2017
From: lazarusforumadmin at freepascal.org (banana@ronix.biz)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:55:00 -0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Topic: BGRABitmap 2DCanvas with scale (From: hosune7845)
Message-ID: <20170323085500.7A5BC27A46@server.lazarus-ide.org>

Dear Lazarus mailing list,
I want you to check out "BGRABitmap 2DCanvas with scale" on Lazarus.  To view it, please click this link:

http://forum.lazarus-ide.org/index.php?topic=36284.0

Thanks,

hosune7845

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Thu Mar 23 10:34:07 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:34:07 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: TSplitter refuses to
 move to the left with mouse (but moves via code)
In-Reply-To: <20170322223545.BE76C880@atlas.cz>
References: <20170322223545.BE76C880@atlas.cz>
Message-ID: <18b57147-10b1-c7dc-df02-7cb4cec4c173@gmx.de>

Am 2017-03-22 um 22:35 schrieb Vojtěch Čihák via Lazarus:
 > It is caused by property TSplitter.MinSize. I just tested, when I move by mouse, I'm stopped on this value. But with code, I can go below this limit. You can modify the code:
 > if Splitter1.Left>Splitter1.MinSize then
 >   ...
 > (and set MinSize to 50 in Object Inspector).
 > so the limit will be the same for both mouse and keyboard.

TSplitter.MinSize is the (min) size of the splitter itself.
It has nothing to do with the location of the splitter (just its size).
Changing this value does not solve the problem.



From mschnell at lumino.de  Thu Mar 23 11:21:59 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:21:59 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <0827ca17-fde8-c8f8-f8f3-84e91e2099d8@dommelstein.nl>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
 <0827ca17-fde8-c8f8-f8f3-84e91e2099d8@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <6b6bb6ba-2361-f8c9-553f-de2d5df76151@lumino.de>

On 22.03.2017 14:50, Marc Weustink via Lazarus wrote:
>
> From what I've read, I fear not. 
Supposedly true. AFAIK there is no support for Win IoT on ARM by fpc. I 
understand that IoT on ARM is very different form Win CE - but rather 
similar to Win on X86, so fpc supposedly would need a completely new target.
> I haven't tested it yet, but from what I understand, windows IOT uses 
> a subset of the windows api,...
Yep. We already did test Delphi programs on Win IoT. Win IoT is lacking 
any GUI API, but in our test, a Delphi generated Service ran on Win IoT 
X86 without any modification. So a no-GUI Lazarus Program should run, as 
well.

-Michael

From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Mar 23 12:06:22 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:06:22 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: TSplitter refuses to
 move to the left with mouse (but moves via code)
In-Reply-To: <18b57147-10b1-c7dc-df02-7cb4cec4c173@gmx.de>
References: <20170322223545.BE76C880@atlas.cz>
 <18b57147-10b1-c7dc-df02-7cb4cec4c173@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <e90c9e31-cb50-65a7-9c8f-e11cb05a1b90@kluug.net>

On 23.03.2017 10:34, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote:
> TSplitter.MinSize is the (min) size of the splitter itself.
> It has nothing to do with the location of the splitter (just its size).

You are wrong: 
http://docs.embarcadero.com/products/rad_studio/delphiAndcpp2009/HelpUpdate2/EN/html/delphivclwin32/ExtCtrls_TSplitter_MinSize.html

The same applies for TSplitter in the LCL.

Ondrej

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Thu Mar 23 15:57:42 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: TSplitter refuses to
 move to the left with mouse (but moves via code)
In-Reply-To: <e90c9e31-cb50-65a7-9c8f-e11cb05a1b90@kluug.net>
References: <20170322223545.BE76C880@atlas.cz>
 <18b57147-10b1-c7dc-df02-7cb4cec4c173@gmx.de>
 <e90c9e31-cb50-65a7-9c8f-e11cb05a1b90@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <3944a587-f0b5-41ac-9936-c9a4e2570595@gmx.de>

Am 2017-03-23 um 12:06 schrieb Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus:
 > On 23.03.2017 10:34, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote:
 >> TSplitter.MinSize is the (min) size of the splitter itself.
 >> It has nothing to do with the location of the splitter (just its size).
 > You are wrong: http://docs.embarcadero.com/products/rad_studio/delphiAndcpp2009/HelpUpdate2/EN/html/delphivclwin32/ExtCtrls_TSplitter_MinSize.html
 > The same applies for TSplitter in the LCL.

Astonishing and totaly unexpected as the help in the object inspector says:

"Minimun size for splitter - default 30 pixels"

Who decided to name this "MinSize" (Borland?).
It should have been "MinResize" or something else.

Neverthelesse, changing the value of MinSize to 3000 does not change anything with my problem.


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 24 18:54:35 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:54:35 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Xneur issue, Linux
Message-ID: <d03f12eb-ec49-ed9a-a29e-df81e2dc52d7@ya.ru>

"xneur" package exists in Ubuntu. Site for app exists too.
Install, run.
Now in GEdit/ Sublime type:
//PRosto SOme aa

xneur fixes it:
//Prosto Some aa

In Lazarus IDE xneur makes error:
//PRostoProst SOmeSome aa
(its a test, real usage not needed in IDE. needed in apps.)

Not Synedit bug, same in ATSynedit.

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From fjf.vanleeuwen at quicknet.nl  Fri Mar 24 19:34:12 2017
From: fjf.vanleeuwen at quicknet.nl (frans)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:34:12 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Where can I get the component lazpdf?
Message-ID: <fa4a4006-5476-3376-a630-6ac0b75fe009@quicknet.nl>

Hi.

There is a new component available to create pdf fies, lazpdf. You can 
download it from the blaise pascal site, according to the article 
'Creating pdf files in Lazarus' by Michaël van Canneyt in Blaise 56 UK. 
But I can't find it, not on the site, not even with Google.
Can anyone give me an usable url?

-- 
mvg
Frans van Leeuwen
M 06-51695390


From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Fri Mar 24 19:37:33 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:37:33 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Xneur issue, Linux
In-Reply-To: <d03f12eb-ec49-ed9a-a29e-df81e2dc52d7@ya.ru>
References: <d03f12eb-ec49-ed9a-a29e-df81e2dc52d7@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <abd33483-9ec5-148f-a187-41640cab2ffd@mfriebe.de>

On 24/03/2017 17:54, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> "xneur" package exists in Ubuntu. Site for app exists too.
> Install, run.
> Now in GEdit/ Sublime type:
> //PRosto SOme aa
>
> xneur fixes it:
> //Prosto Some aa
>
> In Lazarus IDE xneur makes error:
> //PRostoProst SOmeSome aa
> (its a test, real usage not needed in IDE. needed in apps.)

reminds me of a similar issue with VNC (its somewhere on our 
bugtracker): VNC sends several keystrokes with the same timestamp.

Maybe xneur does the same. (If not, ignore the rest)

Apparently in linux, the message send by the OS to the app, has a timestamp.
 From what I heart (not sure) this can be used to filter duplicate msgs 
(same timestamp, ignore). The LCL apparently does this filtering (at 
least for all custom controls).

I guess other linux apps just do not do this filtering.
I do not know what the correct behaviour should be.

So if (IF !!!) xneur sends several backspace with the same timestamp, 
then LCL accepts only the first.


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Fri Mar 24 19:41:02 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:41:02 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Where can I get the component lazpdf?
In-Reply-To: <fa4a4006-5476-3376-a630-6ac0b75fe009@quicknet.nl>
References: <fa4a4006-5476-3376-a630-6ac0b75fe009@quicknet.nl>
Message-ID: <da420806-9a4c-7f62-388e-287efb05eebe@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-24 18:34, frans via Lazarus wrote:
> There is a new component available to create pdf fies, lazpdf.


I don't know about the code from the magazine, but I can say that there
is now a PDF engine included as standard with FPC 3.0.2 and later, in
the fcl-pdf directory.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 24 22:33:03 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:33:03 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] macOS trackpad horz scroll
Message-ID: <2804ba5d-bc44-0195-336c-61b94b4da83e@ya.ru>

Carbon has

       LM_MOUSEWHEEL:
       begin
         y := PLMMouseEvent(@AMessage)^.Y;
         x := PLMMouseEvent(@AMessage)^.X;
       end;
but need one more: LM_MOUSEWHEEL_HORZ, maybe. Mac trackpad can scroll 
view with 2 fingers: vert scroll already does lm_mousewheel, and horz 
scroll....? Does nothing. It does 1/n part of mousewheel, and so my app 
scrolls vertical. App must scroll horizontal only. Can we have new LM?


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sat Mar 25 09:43:47 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:43:47 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] macOS trackpad horz scroll
In-Reply-To: <2804ba5d-bc44-0195-336c-61b94b4da83e@ya.ru>
References: <2804ba5d-bc44-0195-336c-61b94b4da83e@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <49f723e5-aa6b-c48a-b02d-c37241f0bda5@ya.ru>

  I wanted this change:
- Carbon WS can read horz mouse wheel. it sends e.g. LM_WHEELSCROLL_HORZ
- LCL generates as usual OnMouseWheel (....Up/Down), but if it is horiz 
wheel move, then
it adds flag ssScrollHorz to Shift parameter.
- app can detect horiz wheel move, by ssScrollHorz

No need to add new events OnMouseWheelHorz, only add item to Shift.
What do you think.
Alexey

From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Sun Mar 26 23:11:11 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:11:11 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
Message-ID: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>

I am having a strange problem when compiling the IDE (current svn for 
both IDE and FPC). The compilation stops with

Verbose: PPU Source: Expr.pas not found
Verbose: PPU Source: utils.inc not available
Verbose: [lazarus] Error 1
Verbose: [idepkg] Error 2
Debug: make: *** [idepkg] Error 2
Warning: Recompiling Expr, checksum changed for spe {impl}
Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid

It was triggered by adding spe from numlib in the fpc rtl to one of the 
units in a component that is in a package I added to the IDE (FormGrid). 
My application using the same set of component components compiles fine. 
If I remove the dependence on spe the IDE compiles fine. With spe in, 
both the Expr.pas and FormGrid.pas are compiled fine as part of the 
build process when the packages they are associated with are compiled.

Running the IDE compilation with -vt to try and diagnose the problem is 
not that helpful because of the volume of output, but I can see that 
spu.ppu is only looked for in a few places, not the standard place for 
all the fpc packages (which certainly do feature in many other searches.)

Any hints as to how to diagnose this? Why is it trying to re-compile 
stuff that has already been compiled earlier in the build process for 
the IDE?

Colin

From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Sun Mar 26 23:53:08 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:53:08 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is extremely
	slow
Message-ID: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>

Trying to extend the import/export example of fpspreadsheet from a dBase 
table to a TBufDataset I came across this issue with TBufDataset: While 
data are posted to the database as quickly as usual writing to file 
takes extremely long if there are more than a few thousand records.

Run the demo attached below. On my system, I measure these (non-linearly 
scaling) execution times for writing the TBufDataset table to file:

1000 records -- 0.9 seconds
2000 records -- 8.8 seconds
3000 records -- 31.1 seconds
etc.

Compared to that, writing of the same data to a dbf file is a wink of an 
eye. Is there anything which I am doing wrong? Or should I report a bug?

----------------------- snip -------------------------------

program project1;

{$mode objfpc}{$H+}

uses
   SysUtils, classes, db, bufdataset;

const
   // Parameters for generating database file contents
   NUM_LAST_NAMES = 8;
   NUM_FIRST_NAMES = 8;
   NUM_CITIES = 10;
   LAST_NAMES: array[0..NUM_LAST_NAMES-1] of string = (
     'Chaplin', 'Washington', 'Dylan', 'Springsteen', 'Brando',
     'Monroe', 'Dean', 'Lincoln');
   FIRST_NAMES: array[0..NUM_FIRST_NAMES-1] of string = (
     'Charley', 'George', 'Bob', 'Bruce', 'Marlon',
     'Marylin', 'James', 'Abraham');
   CITIES: array[0..NUM_CITIES-1] of string = (
     'New York', 'Los Angeles', 'San Francisco', 'Chicago', 'Miami',
     'New Orleans', 'Washington', 'Boston', 'Seattle', 'Las Vegas');

   TABLENAME = 'people'; //name for the database table, extension will 
be added
   DATADIR = 'data'; //subdirectory where database file is stored
   DB_EXT: array[0..1] of string = (
     '.dbf', '.db');

const
   NUM_RECORDS = 1000;
   SECONDS_PER_DAY = 24 * 60 * 60;

var
   FExportDataset: TBufDataset;

procedure CreateDatabase;
var
   i: Integer;
   startDate: TDate;
   maxAge: Integer = 100 * 365;
   fn: String;
   stream: TMemoryStream;
   t: TDateTime;
begin
   ForceDirectories(DATADIR);
   startDate := Date();

   fn := DATADIR + DirectorySeparator + TABLENAME + DB_EXT[1];
   DeleteFile(fn);

   FExportDataset := TBufDataset.Create(nil);
//  FExportDataset.Filename := fn;

   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Last name', ftString, 15);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('First name', ftString, 10);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('City', ftString, 15);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Birthday', ftDate);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Salary', ftCurrency);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Work begin', ftDateTime);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Work end', ftDateTime);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Size', ftFloat);
   FExportDataset.CreateDataset;

   FExportDataset.Open;

   // Random data
   for i:=1 to NUM_RECORDS do begin
     if (i mod 100 = 0) then
       WriteLn(Format('Adding record %d...', [i]));
     FExportDataset.Insert;
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Last name').AsString := 
LAST_NAMES[Random(NUM_LAST_NAMES)];
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('First name').AsString := 
FIRST_NAMES[Random(NUM_FIRST_NAMES)];
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('City').AsString := 
CITIES[Random(NUM_CITIES)];
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Birthday').AsDateTime := startDate - 
random(maxAge);
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Salary').AsFloat := 1000+Random(9000);
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Size').AsFloat := (160 + Random(50)) / 100;
     FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work begin').AsDateTime := 
40000+EncodeTime(6+Random(4), Random(60), Random(60), 0);
     FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work end').AsDateTime := 
EncodeTime(15+Random(4), Random(60), Random(60), 0);
     FExportDataset.Post;
   end;

   WriteLn('Saving...');
   t := now;
   stream := TMemoryStream.Create;
   try
     FExportDataset.SaveToStream(stream);
     stream.Position := 0;
     WriteLn('Written to memory stream: ', FormatFloat('0.000 s', (now - 
t) * SECONDS_PER_DAY));
     stream.SaveToFile(fn);
   finally
     stream.Free;
   end;
   Writeln('Done. Total time needed for saving: ', FormatFloat('0.000 
s', (now - t) * SECONDS_PER_DAY));

   FExportDataset.Close;

   WriteLn(Format('Created file "%s" in folder "data".', [
     ExtractFileName(fn), ExtractFileDir(fn)
   ]));
   FExportDataset.Free;
end;

begin
   CreateDatabase;

   WriteLn;
   WriteLn('Press ENTER to close.');
   ReadLn;
end.


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sun Mar 26 23:57:21 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:57:21 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <20170326235721.77cb10da@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:11:11 +0100
C Western via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>[...]
> Warning: Recompiling Expr, checksum changed for spe {impl}
> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid
> 
> It was triggered by adding spe from numlib in the fpc rtl to one of the 
> units in a component that is in a package I added to the IDE (FormGrid). 
> My application using the same set of component components compiles fine. 
> If I remove the dependence on spe the IDE compiles fine. With spe in, 
> both the Expr.pas and FormGrid.pas are compiled fine as part of the 
> build process when the packages they are associated with are compiled.
> 
> Running the IDE compilation with -vt to try and diagnose the problem is 
> not that helpful because of the volume of output, but I can see that 
> spu.ppu is only looked for in a few places, not the standard place for 
> all the fpc packages (which certainly do feature in many other searches.)
> 
> Any hints as to how to diagnose this? Why is it trying to re-compile 
> stuff that has already been compiled earlier in the build process for 
> the IDE?

The first thing is indeed to check with -vt that the right files are
used. For example check for unit and include files with same names.

Second: To avoid the duplicate-include-file problem the fpc units must
be compiled with -Ur. Did you compile fpc on your own?

You could try adding -Ur to the Lazarus package. If this fixes your
problem you definitely have somewhere a duplicate include file.

And last you may found have a compiler bug, triggered by uses cycles
between units. This can often be remedied by compiling a package twice.

Mattias

From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Mon Mar 27 00:13:48 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:13:48 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>

On 26/03/2017 22:11, C Western via Lazarus wrote:
> I am having a strange problem when compiling the IDE (current svn for 
> both IDE and FPC). The compilation stops with

> Warning: Recompiling Expr, checksum changed for spe {impl}
"changed for spe"
either spe got recompiled, or you have 2 different spe.ppu

This happens for example when you
- have 2 spe.pas
- when you have search path for units that overlap (one spe.pas, but 
visible in the search path of 2 packages)

> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid



From hdpc at talktalk.net  Mon Mar 27 00:53:25 2017
From: hdpc at talktalk.net (Howard Page-Clark)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:53:25 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <86d713c9-55b7-aec1-a125-e83da27f7817@talktalk.net>

On 26/03/17 22:53, Werner Pamler via Lazarus wrote:
> Trying to extend the import/export example of fpspreadsheet from a 
> dBase table to a TBufDataset I came across this issue with 
> TBufDataset: While data are posted to the database as quickly as usual 
> writing to file takes extremely long if there are more than a few 
> thousand records.
>
> Run the demo attached below. On my system, I measure these 
> (non-linearly scaling) execution times for writing the TBufDataset 
> table to file:
>
> 1000 records -- 0.9 seconds
> 2000 records -- 8.8 seconds
> 3000 records -- 31.1 seconds
> etc.
>
> Compared to that, writing of the same data to a dbf file is a wink of 
> an eye. Is there anything which I am doing wrong? Or should I report a 
> bug?
I don't think you do anything wrong.
I can get small performance increases by
- avoiding FieldByName() calls and using AppendRecord
- using SaveToFile and avoiding an intermediate memory stream
- increasing the value of PacketRecords
but the speedups are insignificant.

Clearly either the insertion algorithm should be improved, or the 
buffering, or the way the buffered records are written to disk. Maybe 
all three areas of TBufDataset can be optimised for better performance.

From M.Santhoff at web.de  Mon Mar 27 09:07:49 2017
From: M.Santhoff at web.de (Marc Santhoff)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:07:49 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <1490598469.2055.4.camel@puma.das.netz>

On So, 2017-03-26 at 23:53 +0200, Werner Pamler via Lazarus wrote:
> Trying to extend the import/export example of fpspreadsheet from a dBase 
> table to a TBufDataset I came across this issue with TBufDataset: While 
> data are posted to the database as quickly as usual writing to file 
> takes extremely long if there are more than a few thousand records.
> 
> Run the demo attached below. On my system, I measure these (non-linearly 
> scaling) execution times for writing the TBufDataset table to file:
> 
> 1000 records -- 0.9 seconds
> 2000 records -- 8.8 seconds
> 3000 records -- 31.1 seconds
> etc.
> 
> Compared to that, writing of the same data to a dbf file is a wink of an 
> eye. Is there anything which I am doing wrong? Or should I report a bug?
> 

I didn't count, but you make extensive use of the Random() function.
Could that be the cause of slowness?

HTH,
Marc

[...]
>    FExportDataset.Open;
> 
>    // Random data
>    for i:=1 to NUM_RECORDS do begin
>      if (i mod 100 = 0) then
>        WriteLn(Format('Adding record %d...', [i]));
>      FExportDataset.Insert;
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('Last name').AsString := 
> LAST_NAMES[Random(NUM_LAST_NAMES)];
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('First name').AsString := 
> FIRST_NAMES[Random(NUM_FIRST_NAMES)];
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('City').AsString := 
> CITIES[Random(NUM_CITIES)];
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('Birthday').AsDateTime := startDate - 
> random(maxAge);
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('Salary').AsFloat := 1000+Random(9000);
>      FExportDataset.FieldByName('Size').AsFloat := (160 + Random(50)) / 100;
>      FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work begin').AsDateTime := 
> 40000+EncodeTime(6+Random(4), Random(60), Random(60), 0);
>      FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work end').AsDateTime := 
> EncodeTime(15+Random(4), Random(60), Random(60), 0);
>      FExportDataset.Post;
>    end;



From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 09:22:02 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:22:02 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <1490598469.2055.4.camel@puma.das.netz>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <1490598469.2055.4.camel@puma.das.netz>
Message-ID: <56397a55-0d85-439c-7b9b-227d85b32115@freenet.de>


Am 27.03.2017 um 09:07 schrieb Marc Santhoff via Lazarus:
> I didn't count, but you make extensive use of the Random() function.
> Could that be the cause of slowness?

No, Random() is called only while records are populated - this step is 
completed without any noticable delay. Time is measured afterwards when 
the populated table is written to stream/file.

From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 10:04:59 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:04:59 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <86d713c9-55b7-aec1-a125-e83da27f7817@talktalk.net>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <86d713c9-55b7-aec1-a125-e83da27f7817@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <6418906d-3795-e50e-e6f0-e33bd76b628e@freenet.de>

Am 27.03.2017 um 00:53 schrieb Howard Page-Clark via Lazarus:
> I can get small performance increases by
> - avoiding FieldByName() calls and using AppendRecord
No, at least not for the issue I am referring to. Like in the answer to 
Marc's comment: This happens while the table is populated, but the delay 
occurs when the populated table is written to stream/file.

> - using SaveToFile and avoiding an intermediate memory stream
Has no noticable effect. 1000 records really is not much, and flushing 
the memory stream to disk occurs without any delay (see my code haveing 
measurement points before and after writing the memory stream and after 
writing to file. In fact, when I noticed this effect I did not have any 
explicit writing code at all, I noticed an excessive delay while the 
dataset is closed -- this is when the BufDataset is saved automatically.

> - increasing the value of PacketRecords
Not knowing what this is I increased the value in multiples of 10 from 1 
to 1E9 and don't see any effect within the usual scatter.

> Clearly either the insertion algorithm should be improved, or the 
> buffering, or the way the buffered records are written to disk. Maybe 
> all three areas of TBufDataset can be optimised for better performance.
Thanks. When I have time I'll write a bug report. The current 
TBufDataset is usable only as a pure in-memory table which is never 
written to file. BTW, in the attached modified demo code the TBufDataset 
can be replaced by a TMemDataset (define "USE_MEM_DATASET"), and this 
one is written instantly.

------------------ snip -------------------

program project1;

{$mode objfpc}{$H+}

{$DEFINE USE_MEM_DATASET}

uses
   SysUtils, classes, db, memds, bufdataset;

const
   TABLENAME = 'people'; //name for the database table, extension will 
be added
   DATADIR = 'data'; //subdirectory where database is stored

const
   NUM_RECORDS = 5000;
   SECONDS_PER_DAY = 24 * 60 * 60;

var
   FExportDataset: TDataset;

procedure CreateDatabase;
var
   i: Integer;
   fn: String;
   stream: TMemoryStream;
   t: TDateTime;
begin
   ForceDirectories(DATADIR);

   fn := DATADIR + DirectorySeparator + TABLENAME + '.db';
   DeleteFile(fn);

   {$IFDEF USE_MEM_DATASET}
   FExportDataset := TMemDataset.Create(nil);
   {$ELSE}
   FExportDataset := TBufDataset.Create(nil);
   {$ENDIF}

   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Last name', ftString, 15);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('First name', ftString, 10);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('City', ftString, 15);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Birthday', ftDate);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Salary', ftCurrency);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Work begin', ftDateTime);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Work end', ftDateTime);
   FExportDataset.FieldDefs.Add('Size', ftFloat);
   {$IFNDEF USE_MEM_DATASET}
   TBufDataset(FExportDataset).CreateDataset;
   {$ENDIF}

   FExportDataset.Open;

   // Random data
   for i:=1 to NUM_RECORDS do begin
     if (i mod 100 = 0) then
       WriteLn(Format('Adding record %d...', [i]));
     FExportDataset.Insert;
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Last name').AsString := 'A';
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('First name').AsString := 'B';
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('City').AsString := 'C';
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Birthday').AsDateTime := 0;
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Salary').AsFloat := 0;
     FExportDataset.FieldByName('Size').AsFloat := 0;
     FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work begin').AsDateTime := 0;
     FExportDataSet.FieldByName('Work end').AsDateTime := 0;
     FExportDataset.Post;
   end;

   WriteLn('Saving...');
   t := now;
   stream := TMemoryStream.Create;
   try
     {$IFDEF USE_MEM_DATASET}
     TMemDataset(FExportDataset).SaveToStream(stream);
     {$ELSE}
     TBufDataset(FExportDataset).SaveToStream(stream);
     {$ENDIF}
     stream.Position := 0;
     WriteLn('Written to memory stream: ', FormatFloat('0.000 s', (now - 
t) * SECONDS_PER_DAY));
     stream.SaveToFile(fn);
   finally
     stream.Free;
   end;
   Writeln('Done. Total time needed for saving: ', FormatFloat('0.000 
s', (now - t) * SECONDS_PER_DAY));

   FExportDataset.Close;

   writeLn(Format('Created file "%s" in folder "data".', [
     ExtractFileName(fn), ExtractFileDir(fn)
   ]));
   FExportDataset.Free;
end;

begin
   CreateDatabase;

   WriteLn;
   WriteLn('Press ENTER to close.');
   ReadLn;
end.


From lacak at zoznam.sk  Mon Mar 27 10:13:47 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:13:47 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>

Try call FExportDataset.MergeChangeLog before:
>   WriteLn('Saving...'); 
Does anything in your timing changed ?
-Laco.

From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Mon Mar 27 10:29:19 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:29:19 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
Message-ID: <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>

On 26/03/17 23:13, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote:
> On 26/03/2017 22:11, C Western via Lazarus wrote:
>> I am having a strange problem when compiling the IDE (current svn for
>> both IDE and FPC). The compilation stops with
>
>> Warning: Recompiling Expr, checksum changed for spe {impl}
> "changed for spe"
> either spe got recompiled, or you have 2 different spe.ppu
>
> This happens for example when you
> - have 2 spe.pas
> - when you have search path for units that overlap (one spe.pas, but
> visible in the search path of 2 packages)
>
>> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid
>
>

It turns out the problem was indeed a duplicate spe.pas; the culprit was

components/tachart/numlib_fix/spe.pas

simply deleting this file allows the IDE to compile. (I don't use the 
tachart package). This is very difficult to figure out looking at the 
error messages as described in my earlier message; looking back very 
carefully on the -vt output I can see that there is a ppu loading 
message on the tachart unit, but then the compiler keeps on looking for 
spe.pas, with no indication at that point that the .ppu has been 
rejected. The volume of output doesn't help.

Colni

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Mon Mar 27 10:36:08 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:36:08 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] TLMMouseEvent axis
Message-ID: <f0dae82b-66ad-6297-9830-514622912ee3@ya.ru>

Hi

It is needed (for Carbon with mac trackpad) to use Axis field (1 bit is 
okay: vertical=0; horiz=1) in this record.

Pls add it? Maybe add at end.

   PLMMouseEvent = ^TLMMouseEvent;
   TLMMouseEvent = record
     Msg: Cardinal;
{$ifdef cpu64}
     UnusedMsg: Cardinal;
{$endif}
{$IFDEF FPC_LITTLE_ENDIAN}
     Button: Word;         // 1=left, 2=right, 3=middle
     WheelDelta: SmallInt; // -1 for up, 1 for down
{$ELSE}
     WheelDelta: SmallInt; // -1 for up, 1 for down
     Button: Word;         // 1=left, 2=right, 3=middle
{$ENDIF}
{$ifdef cpu64}
     Unused1 : Longint;
{$endif cpu64}
     X: Smallint;          // under gtk this is longint
     Y: Smallint;          // ditto
{$ifdef cpu64}
     Unused2 : Longint;
{$endif cpu64}
     Result: LRESULT;      // to fit std message size
     UserData: pointer;    // used under gtk
     State: TShiftState;   // in win is the equivalent of button
   end;



-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 10:33:53 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:33:53 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <0e440336-1b20-5fcc-d9c6-b71b0dd08389@freenet.de>

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:13 schrieb LacaK via Lazarus:
> Try call FExportDataset.MergeChangeLog before:
>>   WriteLn('Saving...'); 
> Does anything in your timing changed ?

Ah - that's it. TBufDataset saves the records instantly now. Probably, 
this should go into the official wiki site for TBufDataset.

But now another issue is coming up: If I increase the number of records 
to 40,000 population of records slows down after about 10,000 records, 
speeds up again, and comes to an apparant stand-still for 32900 records. 
After waiting some time the record counter (which is incremented in 
steps of 100 in my demo) goes up to 33000. Then I gave up.

Again, If I run the demo with TMemDataset, these effects do not show up. 
(As for the current code, see my other post of today).

From mse00000 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 27 10:46:00 2017
From: mse00000 at gmail.com (Martin Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:46:00 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
	extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <201703271046.00399.mse00000@gmail.com>

On Sunday 26 March 2017 23:53:08 Werner Pamler via Lazarus wrote:
> Trying to extend the import/export example of fpspreadsheet from a dBase
> table to a TBufDataset I came across this issue with TBufDataset: While
> data are posted to the database as quickly as usual writing to file
> takes extremely long if there are more than a few thousand records.
>
> Run the demo attached below. On my system, I measure these (non-linearly
> scaling) execution times for writing the TBufDataset table to file:
>
> 1000 records -- 0.9 seconds
> 2000 records -- 8.8 seconds
> 3000 records -- 31.1 seconds
> etc.
>
> Compared to that, writing of the same data to a dbf file is a wink of an
> eye. Is there anything which I am doing wrong? Or should I report a bug?
>
Can you switch off 'applyupdate'-functionality in TBufdataset? MSEgui 
TLocalDataset (a fork of FPC TBufDataset) writes 1'000'000 records in about 
0.4 seconds if options bdo_noapply is set.
" 
1000000: 0.313s
1000000: 0.308s
1000000: 0.319s
1000000: 0.311s
1000000: 0.411s
1000000: 0.293s
1000000: 0.327s
1000000: 0.321s
3000: 0.001s
3000: 0.001s
3000: 0.001s
"
"
procedure tmainfo.recev(const sender: TObject);
var
 i1: int32;
 t1: tdatetime;
begin
 locds.active:= false;
 locds.disablecontrols();
 try
  locds.active:= true;
  for i1:= 1 to reccount.value do begin
   locds.appendrecord([i1,inttostrmse(i1)+'abcdefghiklmnop',10*i1]);
  end;
  t1:= nowutc();
  locds.savetofile('test.db');
  t1:= nowutc()-t1;
  writeln(reccount.value,': ',formatfloatmse(t1*60*60*24,'0.000s'));
  locds.active:= false;
 finally
  locds.enablecontrols();
 end;
end;
"

Martin

From lacak at zoznam.sk  Mon Mar 27 10:59:18 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:59:18 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <0e440336-1b20-5fcc-d9c6-b71b0dd08389@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>
 <0e440336-1b20-5fcc-d9c6-b71b0dd08389@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <f2e15192-2916-6601-b9f1-f4802d84ed8b@zoznam.sk>


>> Try call FExportDataset.MergeChangeLog before:
>>>   WriteLn('Saving...'); 
>> Does anything in your timing changed ?
>
> Ah - that's it. TBufDataset saves the records instantly now. Probably, 
> this should go into the official wiki site for TBufDataset.
>
> But now another issue is coming up: If I increase the number of 
> records to 40,000 population of records slows down after about 10,000 
> records, speeds up again, and comes to an apparant stand-still for 
> 32900 records. After waiting some time the record counter (which is 
> incremented in steps of 100 in my demo) goes up to 33000. Then I gave up.
Try call MergeChangeLog regulary on every 1000 rows for example.
If does not help, attach your test program, so we can reproduce ...

L.


From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 11:10:54 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:10:54 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
 <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <e324fa5c-721b-3884-a762-c349aa40850e@freenet.de>

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:29 schrieb C Western via Lazarus:
> On 26/03/17 23:13, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote:
>> On 26/03/2017 22:11, C Western via Lazarus wrote:
>>> I am having a strange problem when compiling the IDE (current svn for
>>> both IDE and FPC). The compilation stops with
>>
>>> Warning: Recompiling Expr, checksum changed for spe {impl}
>> "changed for spe"
>> either spe got recompiled, or you have 2 different spe.ppu
>>
>> This happens for example when you
>> - have 2 spe.pas
>> - when you have search path for units that overlap (one spe.pas, but
>> visible in the search path of 2 packages)
>>
>>> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid
>
> It turns out the problem was indeed a duplicate spe.pas; the culprit was
>
> components/tachart/numlib_fix/spe.pas
>
> simply deleting this file allows the IDE to compile. (I don't use the 
> tachart package). This is very difficult to figure out looking at the 
> error messages as described in my earlier message; looking back very 
> carefully on the -vt output I can see that there is a ppu loading 
> message on the tachart unit, but then the compiler keeps on looking 
> for spe.pas, with no indication at that point that the .ppu has been 
> rejected. The volume of output doesn't help.

I do a lot of recompilations of the IDE, I am a heavy user of TAChart, 
and I also have programs in which spe is used: I have never seen this 
issue. I can't remember why Alexander had to add this local copy of the 
numlib file, it certainly was a workaround for some issue. If I compare 
the spe of fpc3.02 with that local copy I don't see any essential 
differences. Therefore, I removed spe from the numlib_fixes folder of 
TAChart today.

But: in numlib_fixes there are other local copies of numlib files. They 
contain workaround fixes of issues with the original files. The fixes 
were made by Alexander, and I don't know which issues they address. At 
the moment I am working with numlib and have some patches in the bug 
tracker, but progress is slow since I don't which write permission 
there. But I can promise to try to remove the duplicated numlib files 
from TAChart in the long run.

But nevertheless, as mentioned in the beginning, I don't think that 
these files are the reason of the compilation issues that you mention. 
If that were true then anybody would have them - at least I don't.

From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 11:35:37 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:35:37 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <f2e15192-2916-6601-b9f1-f4802d84ed8b@zoznam.sk>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>
 <0e440336-1b20-5fcc-d9c6-b71b0dd08389@freenet.de>
 <f2e15192-2916-6601-b9f1-f4802d84ed8b@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <f587b716-59d3-e040-2726-838fceb05c2c@freenet.de>

Am 27.03.2017 um 10:59 schrieb LacaK via Lazarus:
>> But now another issue is coming up: If I increase the number of 
>> records to 40,000 population of records slows down after about 10,000 
>> records, speeds up again, and comes to an apparant stand-still for 
>> 32900 records. After waiting some time the record counter (which is 
>> incremented in steps of 100 in my demo) goes up to 33000. Then I gave 
>> up.
> Try call MergeChangeLog regulary on every 1000 rows for example.
> If does not help, attach your test program, so we can reproduce ...

Yes, this is the solution. Thank you. MergeChangeLog definitely should 
be documented in a better way.


From mschnell at lumino.de  Mon Mar 27 11:42:41 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:42:41 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Zeos SQLite Linux
Message-ID: <4b585410-4d50-b7c6-06a4-04e7c85d2a2d@lumino.de>

I'd like to check out working with Zeos and SQLite.

I have an "SVN" installation of Lazarus on Linux. So i used same for 
testing.

I found a demo program and when trying this I found it includes the line
sLibraryLocation := sAppPath + 'sqlite3_library.dll';
So it obviously is doe for Windows (On Linux it just shows an 
appropriate Error message.)

So the question is to do Zeos / SQLite / Linux ? I failed to find such 
information yet.

Thanks,

-Michael


From michael at freepascal.org  Mon Mar 27 12:07:50 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:07:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Zeos SQLite Linux
In-Reply-To: <4b585410-4d50-b7c6-06a4-04e7c85d2a2d@lumino.de>
References: <4b585410-4d50-b7c6-06a4-04e7c85d2a2d@lumino.de>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703271206440.20046@home.telenet.be>



On Mon, 27 Mar 2017, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote:

> I'd like to check out working with Zeos and SQLite.
>
> I have an "SVN" installation of Lazarus on Linux. So i used same for 
> testing.
>
> I found a demo program and when trying this I found it includes the line
> sLibraryLocation := sAppPath + 'sqlite3_library.dll';
> So it obviously is doe for Windows (On Linux it just shows an 
> appropriate Error message.)
>
> So the question is to do Zeos / SQLite / Linux ? I failed to find such 
> information yet.

You should ask this on a ZeOS mailing lists/forum. We don't maintain zeos.
Based on the above, I would think that the zeOS SQLITE driver doesn't 
support Linux.

Michael.

From lacak at zoznam.sk  Mon Mar 27 12:43:19 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:43:19 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Writing >1000 TBufDataset records to file is
 extremely slow
In-Reply-To: <f587b716-59d3-e040-2726-838fceb05c2c@freenet.de>
References: <4b6657f4-3911-d387-fd25-2ff702ed7748@freenet.de>
 <5c795166-5e22-c09a-b2d0-a15acbe581d4@zoznam.sk>
 <0e440336-1b20-5fcc-d9c6-b71b0dd08389@freenet.de>
 <f2e15192-2916-6601-b9f1-f4802d84ed8b@zoznam.sk>
 <f587b716-59d3-e040-2726-838fceb05c2c@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <a10a6212-2e08-43a6-5dac-b822b1494655@zoznam.sk>

>
>>> But now another issue is coming up: If I increase the number of 
>>> records to 40,000 population of records slows down after about 
>>> 10,000 records, speeds up again, and comes to an apparant 
>>> stand-still for 32900 records. After waiting some time the record 
>>> counter (which is incremented in steps of 100 in my demo) goes up to 
>>> 33000. Then I gave up.
>> Try call MergeChangeLog regulary on every 1000 rows for example.
>> If does not help, attach your test program, so we can reproduce ...
>
> Yes, this is the solution. Thank you. MergeChangeLog definitely should 
> be documented in a better way.
You can report bug report about it or add it to wiki yourself
  - There is http://wiki.freepascal.org/TBufDataset but it seems that 
there is only one line of text ;-)
  - in FCL documentation 
http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/current/fcl/db/index.html I can not 
find TBufDataset at all
L.


From luca at wetron.es  Mon Mar 27 13:40:50 2017
From: luca at wetron.es (Luca Olivetti)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 13:40:50 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Zeos SQLite Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703271206440.20046@home.telenet.be>
References: <4b585410-4d50-b7c6-06a4-04e7c85d2a2d@lumino.de>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703271206440.20046@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <d26e6102-5e74-f805-843d-d6302822cd88@wetron.es>

El 27/03/17 a les 12:07, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus ha escrit:
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote:
>
>> I'd like to check out working with Zeos and SQLite.
>>
>> I have an "SVN" installation of Lazarus on Linux. So i used same for
>> testing.
>>
>> I found a demo program and when trying this I found it includes the line
>> sLibraryLocation := sAppPath + 'sqlite3_library.dll';
>> So it obviously is doe for Windows (On Linux it just shows an
>> appropriate Error message.)
>>
>> So the question is to do Zeos / SQLite / Linux ? I failed to find such
>> information yet.
>
> You should ask this on a ZeOS mailing lists/forum. We don't maintain zeos.
> Based on the above, I would think that the zeOS SQLITE driver doesn't
> support Linux.

Well, I have a project using zeos+sqlite under linux since 2007 and it's 
working just fine.
I recently modified it (my project, not zeos) so I can confirm it still 
works.
I'm using zeos 7.1.4 (in 2007 I think I was using 7.0.3).


Bye
-- 
Luca Olivetti
Wetron Automation Technology http://www.wetron.es/
Tel. +34 93 5883004 (Ext.3010)  Fax +34 93 5883007

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Mon Mar 27 14:24:32 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:24:32 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] TSplitter refuses to move to the left with mouse (but
 moves via code)
In-Reply-To: <bc87c329-5df9-9558-a57d-0d48b8754c6c@gmx.de>
References: <bc87c329-5df9-9558-a57d-0d48b8754c6c@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1023fccd-e5fb-27e4-ae45-a1a4efdb39bd@gmx.de>

Am 2017-03-20 um 18:04 schrieb Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus:
 > I have a TSplitter that separates elements on the left from those on the right.
 > ....
 > But when I try to move the splitter with the mouse,
 > only moving to the right works okay.
 > Moving to the left only moves the splitter 1 pixel (I think).
 > Moving it again moves it another 1 pixel and so on.
 > But I cannot move it multiple pixels in one step (as I can when
 > moving the right).
 > Is this a bug?

It seems that this is a bug.

When I look at TCustomSplitter.MoveSplitter
there is a loop over all anchored controls
that calculates a value CurMaxShrink.
It seems that this routine only considers to "shrink"
these anchored controls (when the splitter moves) but
it is not taken into account to "move" these controls.
That's a bug IMO.
If a control cannot be shrinked but can be moved
then this should work too.

I have anchored some controls to the left
which themselves have no anchor to their left side
but their size is determined via AutoSize.
They are "right aligned" so to speak.
If I move the splitter to the left via code it works as expected
and the anchored controls on the left are moved too.
But when using the mouse then TCustomSplitter.MoveSplitter
restricts the movement of the splitter to the
"shrinkability" of the anchored controls only.


From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Mon Mar 27 21:37:24 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:37:24 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <e324fa5c-721b-3884-a762-c349aa40850e@freenet.de>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
 <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <e324fa5c-721b-3884-a762-c349aa40850e@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <0034de27-53bb-e5ff-322c-f31bbd6ca897@c-m-w.me.uk>

>
> But nevertheless, as mentioned in the beginning, I don't think that
> these files are the reason of the compilation issues that you mention.
> If that were true then anybody would have them - at least I don't.

I can't claim to be an expert on the way the search path works, but the 
issue might only surface when spe is used in a component which is 
compiled as part of the IDE. Can I suggest a short term fix is to rename 
the local copies of the units (spe -> spe_fixed)? This will definitely 
remove the clash.

Colin

From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Mon Mar 27 23:18:54 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:18:54 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <0034de27-53bb-e5ff-322c-f31bbd6ca897@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
 <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <e324fa5c-721b-3884-a762-c349aa40850e@freenet.de>
 <0034de27-53bb-e5ff-322c-f31bbd6ca897@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <25b20b25-feb9-47a3-17ef-9e31b1911c59@freenet.de>

Am 27.03.2017 um 21:37 schrieb C Western via Lazarus:
>> But nevertheless, as mentioned in the beginning, I don't think that
>> these files are the reason of the compilation issues that you mention.
>> If that were true then anybody would have them - at least I don't.
>
> I can't claim to be an expert on the way the search path works, but 
> the issue might only surface when spe is used in a component which is 
> compiled as part of the IDE. Can I suggest a short term fix is to 
> rename the local copies of the units (spe -> spe_fixed)? This will 
> definitely remove the clash.

I understand. A package using the original spe and TAChart using a 
modified spe with the same name cannot coexist. You had not written this 
in the previous posts.

At the moment TAChart has these modified numlib files in its 
numlib_fixes folder: ipf (fitting, splines), mdt, sle. I am writing a 
patch to remove the hard-coded array length in the numlib unit typ which 
lead to the addition of ipf to TAChart. But this will only be a longterm 
solution because fpc has a slow version cycle time and Lazarus wants to 
support older fpc versions as well.

Luckily, no other units of numlib depend on ipf, and therefore, I could 
rename the modified ipf to ipf_fix. mdt and sle seem to contain minor 
modifications, a diff shows me that they were modified only to silence 
the compiler, and so I deleted them. In total, now TAChart does no 
longer contain any modified equally named units from other packages.

From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Tue Mar 28 09:48:02 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:48:02 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <25b20b25-feb9-47a3-17ef-9e31b1911c59@freenet.de>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <f88e6bfa-905a-205d-ee6d-cb55e6733346@mfriebe.de>
 <f0f1f30e-577a-6109-3c53-e2f01e4a3ab6@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <e324fa5c-721b-3884-a762-c349aa40850e@freenet.de>
 <0034de27-53bb-e5ff-322c-f31bbd6ca897@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <25b20b25-feb9-47a3-17ef-9e31b1911c59@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <dcbb5080-2ef4-57f4-0892-ecc9c9e5aeb4@c-m-w.me.uk>

On 27/03/17 22:18, Werner Pamler via Lazarus wrote:

> Luckily, no other units of numlib depend on ipf, and therefore, I could
> rename the modified ipf to ipf_fix. mdt and sle seem to contain minor
> modifications, a diff shows me that they were modified only to silence
> the compiler, and so I deleted them. In total, now TAChart does no
> longer contain any modified equally named units from other packages.

This sounds like a good solution.

Thank You

Colin

From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Tue Mar 28 12:23:05 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:23:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <27f8c97c-569e-56c5-22c9-79b1e0699a9b@fastwebnet.it>

Il 26/03/2017 23:11, C Western via Lazarus ha scritto:
> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid

I believe that many problems of this kind could be solved at the root if 
the fpc error message was not as misleading as it is currently.

The error message lets you believe that it didn't find an Expr.pas or an 
Expr.ppu, while the actual problem was that it found an 
invalid/conflicting .ppu.

Two different messages, one telling "can't find unit xxx" and another 
telling "unit xxx invalid ppu" would save a lot of troubles and lead you 
to quickly find the reason.

Shouldn't we ask fpc to provide better error messages for this case?

Giuliano



From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Tue Mar 28 18:11:02 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:11:02 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] xneur issue solved.
Message-ID: <822fe7c6-a75b-dfa3-6ca8-2ae817bf71f6@ya.ru>

Its author replied, and make a fix to timestamp (Martin, your hint was 
needed)

https://github.com/AndrewCrewKuznetsov/xneur-devel/commit/499e3e28ad07d5a97b9c24ded9e1679f678ac150



-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Tue Mar 28 19:56:37 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:56:37 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <27f8c97c-569e-56c5-22c9-79b1e0699a9b@fastwebnet.it>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <27f8c97c-569e-56c5-22c9-79b1e0699a9b@fastwebnet.it>
Message-ID: <3fe211cf-ac48-c003-a19e-63b438ef494f@mfriebe.de>

On 28/03/2017 11:23, Giuliano Colla via Lazarus wrote:
> Il 26/03/2017 23:11, C Western via Lazarus ha scritto:
>> Expr.pas(78,12) Fatal: Can't find unit Expr used by FormGrid
>
> I believe that many problems of this kind could be solved at the root 
> if the fpc error message was not as misleading as it is currently.
>
> The error message lets you believe that it didn't find an Expr.pas or 
> an Expr.ppu, while the actual problem was that it found an 
> invalid/conflicting .ppu.
>
> Two different messages, one telling "can't find unit xxx" and another 
> telling "unit xxx invalid ppu" would save a lot of troubles and lead 
> you to quickly find the reason.

Actually they are both there.

"checksum changed for spe.ppu" was the first error. That is exactly what 
happens.

You have to think about how fpc is called.

1) the rtl and/or packages where build earlier. fpc is called with a 
path to the ppu, but fpc is not given the path to the pas files

2) when the package with Expr was build, fpc had a path that saw the fpc 
version of spe. So Expr.ppu contains the checksum for that ppu.

3) At some point the other spe was build

4)
And now - building yet anouther package - fpc is called with NO path to 
any of the pas files (Expr / spe), but only the ppu.

some unit needs to be compiled that "uses Expr".

fpc finds Expr.ppu
Afaik it verifies that this is still valid, by checking if units used by 
Expr.ppu have still the same checksum.

fpc stops when it finds the first spe.ppu / so fpc is unaware that there 
is another.
The checksum is wrong.

So it tells you that. (It does not say why the checksum changed, because 
it does not know)
It also tells you that it wants to rebuild Expr.pas
And it fails to do that. (because it was not give the path to the source)

----
This is basically because the build is divided into package. When 
building one package, fpc has very little info what happened in packages 
build before



From lazarus at kluug.net  Tue Mar 28 20:14:13 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 20:14:13 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] fpDebug error "Debug information not available"
Message-ID: <bfd565a8-d00b-e89f-20a5-09058c3cd357@kluug.net>

Hello,

I want to test the fpDebug debugger. I followed 
http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-Need-testers-for-the-a-new-debugger-td4037911.html

When I run a LCL application, I get the following error within Lazarus IDE:

[Window Title]
project1 - Lazarus IDE v1.7
[Content]
No Dwarf-debug information available. The debugger will not function 
properly. [CurrentProcess=TDbgWinProcess,DbgInfo=TFpDwarfInfo]
[OK]

I tried various "Type of debug info" in Project Options. The last I tried:

Do you have any hints?

OS: Win 10 64bit
Lazarus: trunk 1.7 32bit

Ondrej

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From l at c-m-w.me.uk  Tue Mar 28 22:53:03 2017
From: l at c-m-w.me.uk (C Western)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:53:03 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <3fe211cf-ac48-c003-a19e-63b438ef494f@mfriebe.de>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <27f8c97c-569e-56c5-22c9-79b1e0699a9b@fastwebnet.it>
 <3fe211cf-ac48-c003-a19e-63b438ef494f@mfriebe.de>
Message-ID: <50fd48bf-d5f7-8d07-da3f-bde71c58647c@c-m-w.me.uk>

On 28/03/17 18:56, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote:
>
> "checksum changed for spe.ppu" was the first error. That is exactly what
> happens.
Isn't the full path to the ppu available to the compiler? If the error 
message had been checksum changed for 
components/tachart/numlib_fix/spe.ppu (or wherever the found ppu was) 
that would have given me a much better prompt as to where to look.

Colin

From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Tue Mar 28 23:17:11 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:17:11 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Strange problem compiling IDE
In-Reply-To: <50fd48bf-d5f7-8d07-da3f-bde71c58647c@c-m-w.me.uk>
References: <8db31a89-d35d-bb79-29df-7f155d93d75e@c-m-w.me.uk>
 <27f8c97c-569e-56c5-22c9-79b1e0699a9b@fastwebnet.it>
 <3fe211cf-ac48-c003-a19e-63b438ef494f@mfriebe.de>
 <50fd48bf-d5f7-8d07-da3f-bde71c58647c@c-m-w.me.uk>
Message-ID: <96c7ee99-21cc-cc56-6920-36ed58dbafbf@mfriebe.de>

On 28/03/2017 21:53, C Western via Lazarus wrote:
> On 28/03/17 18:56, Martin Frb via Lazarus wrote:
>>
>> "checksum changed for spe.ppu" was the first error. That is exactly what
>> happens.
> Isn't the full path to the ppu available to the compiler? If the error 
> message had been checksum changed for 
> components/tachart/numlib_fix/spe.ppu (or wherever the found ppu was) 
> that would have given me a much better prompt as to where to look.
>

I dont know, but probably. That needs to be asked on the fpc list.
IIRC fpc has an option to report *ALL* paths, but that includes all 
paths where nothing was found, so really lots of msgs.

Yet the thing is, you only need to add the path, if you assume that the 
unit exists twice (which it shouldnt).

FPC afaik always assumes that each unit exists only once.
If it did not, then it would have to search all path to the end for each 
unit. Instead of taking the first found ppu. Continuing the search after 
the first found, would slow down compilation.

------------------
You have to keep in mind that checksum changed is not always leading to 
an error. Sometimes, the checksum changes and this is correct (and the 
unit is in just one place), and a dependen unit will be recompiled, and 
that will work. (or it will not, depends again).

That can happen with circular references, where the unit was not yet 
finished compiling. (And there are some condition about inlining that 
trigger this case).

----
If you compile an app, that does not use packages (it can use rtl, or 
any packes compiled for release / there is a special flag), then this 
error is unlikely to occur.
So you can say this is not even a fault of fpc, the problem is in how 
packages in lazarus are organized. (Though there probably is no better way)

----------
Anyway if it is about the error, best to take it to the fpc list


From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Tue Mar 28 23:54:25 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:54:25 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] RadioGroup MouseWheel behaviour
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b5zLqRgaDTH4zn8Q1=ANNNHwTE2OR+htGEMKL5=2LYOVw@mail.gmail.com>

Please take a look at the attached example source code.


I consider a bug the behaviour of the MouseWheel when used over a
RadioGroup Item.

In the example I'd like to scroll the page content even if the mouse
is over a RadioGroup Item.


Shouldn't MouseWheel event always be passed to parent ScrollBox control?

Thank you in advance for your clarification.


btw: I'm testing under Windows.


Sandro Cumerlato
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From steveswwei at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 07:14:27 2017
From: steveswwei at gmail.com (swwei)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:14:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Keyboard handling messed up in LCL (recent change)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1503211108370.30895@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1503211108370.30895@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <1490764467592-4051267.post@n3.nabble.com>

Yes, I got the some problem today. While I'm busy with my time pressing
software project, all of sudden, I found my m-key became a <CR> key. I've
tried every possible way I can think of to fix it, but in vain.

Interesting enough, I happen to have another version of Lazarus installed
under the same user account with  its own configuration directory.  so I
turned to that version, to see if it is OK. And I found out it now had the
same problem.  

My guess is somehow Lazarus mess up user's GTK environment setting file(s).

My temporary solution is switching to another user account, rebuilt my
project there to keep my work going.

Very annoying, Indeed!  It's not a minor bug!



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From lazarus at kluug.net  Wed Mar 29 07:37:44 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:37:44 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] RadioGroup MouseWheel behaviour
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b5zLqRgaDTH4zn8Q1=ANNNHwTE2OR+htGEMKL5=2LYOVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJFr3b5zLqRgaDTH4zn8Q1=ANNNHwTE2OR+htGEMKL5=2LYOVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58b5fb11-abbc-8915-ad75-4e968fb62722@kluug.net>

On 28.03.2017 23:54, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:
> I consider a bug the behaviour of the MouseWheel when used over a
> RadioGroup Item.
>
> In the example I'd like to scroll the page content even if the mouse
> is over a RadioGroup Item.

Fixed: http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31608

Thanks for reporting.

Ondrej


From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 07:48:37 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:48:37 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] RadioGroup MouseWheel behaviour
In-Reply-To: <58b5fb11-abbc-8915-ad75-4e968fb62722@kluug.net>
References: <CAJFr3b5zLqRgaDTH4zn8Q1=ANNNHwTE2OR+htGEMKL5=2LYOVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <58b5fb11-abbc-8915-ad75-4e968fb62722@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b5K5qnvY2h9OkbOvoizafZBzQr3r9PBbuzW_fYD=0EyFg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the prompt fix!

Best regards,
Sandro Cumerlato

On 29 Mar 2017 07:37, "Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus" <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On 28.03.2017 23:54, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:
>
>> I consider a bug the behaviour of the MouseWheel when used over a
>> RadioGroup Item.
>>
>> In the example I'd like to scroll the page content even if the mouse
>> is over a RadioGroup Item.
>>
>
> Fixed: http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31608
>
> Thanks for reporting.
>
> Ondrej
>
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From lazarus at mfriebe.de  Wed Mar 29 07:48:21 2017
From: lazarus at mfriebe.de (Martin Frb)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:48:21 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Keyboard handling messed up in LCL (recent change)
In-Reply-To: <1490764467592-4051267.post@n3.nabble.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1503211108370.30895@home.telenet.be>
 <1490764467592-4051267.post@n3.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3883b225-8efd-9e02-771a-0f94b38ee972@mfriebe.de>

On 29/03/2017 06:14, swwei via Lazarus wrote:
> Yes, I got the some problem today. While I'm busy with my time pressing
> software project, all of sudden, I found my m-key became a <CR> key. I've
> tried every possible way I can think of to fix it, but in vain.
>
http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=29432


From ptrg at freemail.hu  Wed Mar 29 08:59:06 2017
From: ptrg at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyIEfDoWJvcg==?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 08:59:06 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>

Online Package Manager shows the packages with "new" icon if the latest
release time was in the given number of days, but shows them with normal
icon if they are older than that days regardless if they are up-to-date
or not.
I my opinion:
- It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon
and
- Show all packages with "new" icon if their last release is newer than
the installed one...

2016-10-28 08:20 keltezéssel, Balázs Székely via Lazarus írta:
> Hi,
> 
> We have made considerable progress with the online package manager. Next
> week the central repository will be populated with 30+ packages. Here is a
> short video(please watch it in 700p). 
> 
> https://youtu.be/y_hT8u2u5bU
> 
> Suggestions are welcome.
> 

-- 
Péter Gábor
ptrg at freemail.hu


From lacak at zoznam.sk  Wed Mar 29 11:37:35 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:37:35 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Linux 64 to Linux ARC crosscompile was:Lazarus and
 Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <676bdb1d-9768-a407-d390-187639c597a5@zoznam.sk>


>> I am sure taht this question was already asked, but I can not find 
>> clear answer.
>>
>> Is there possibility to create Lazarus application with GUI which 
>> will run on Raspberi Pi - ARM - Windows 10 IoT ?
>> (Target OS=Win32, Target CPU=Arm ?)
>>
>> If not, is there possibility to create same application for Raspberi 
>> Pi - ARM - Linux ?
>> (Target OS=Linux, Target CPU=Arm ? ... can I crosscompile from 
>> Linux/i386 to Linux/Arm ?)
>
> The latter definitely should work.
Is there any tutorial how-to-do-it other than 
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Setup_Cross_Compile_For_ARM ?

What I did is:
1. Install Ubuntu Linux 16.04 (64 bit) into VirtualBox on Windows
2. Install Lazarus for Linux (I can compile application for host platform)
3. Try install 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/freepascal/files/Linux/3.0.2/fpc-3.0.2.arm-linux-eabihf-raspberry.tar/download 
using supplied install.sh
(some errors were reported as: Syntax error: Word unexpected (expecting"(")
After step 3 I cannot run Lazarus (probably fp.cfg was corrupted)

-Laco.


From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Wed Mar 29 11:59:00 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:59:00 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus and Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <d130600d-bdd5-f149-f900-7dae4c7ade65@fastwebnet.it>

Il 22/03/2017 14:19, LacaK via Lazarus ha scritto:
> If not, is there possibility to create same application for Raspberi 
> Pi - ARM - Linux ?
> (Target OS=Linux, Target CPU=Arm ? ... can I crosscompile from 
> Linux/i386 to Linux/Arm ?)

Well, I can't swear about Linux/i386, but I'm doing it without any 
trouble under Linux/x86_64, once the proper binutils and other required 
stuff, such as ARM appropriate libraries are installed. It shouldn't 
make a difference. On a Raspberry Pi - Arm Linux you can also install 
Lazarus (I used fcplazup) and compile directly on the target.



From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 12:34:44 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:34:44 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE uses old keyboard layout after OS changed it.
Message-ID: <65cf04f0-9a44-04ad-d159-cf5ff26119ca@geldenhuys.co.uk>

Hi,

Is this a known issues? If I run Lazarus IDE (LCL-GTK2) on either Linux
or FreeBSD, and say my keyboard layout is set to US. Now if I change the
keyboard layout to say Dvorak while Lazarus IDE is open, then Lazarus
IDE still uses the US layout (I think), while the rest of the OS and any
running applications uses the new Dvorak layout.

I have hit this problem many times in recent weeks jumping between
various Linux VM's.

To rectify the problem I have to close Lazarus IDE down, then start it
up again. Then the IDE uses the right keyboard layout. It's as if
LCL-GTK2 doesn't react to a keyboard layout event change from X11 or
something. But other applications (also GTK2 based) like Pluma/gEdit
update without problems.


Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Wed Mar 29 12:47:15 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:47:15 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE uses old keyboard layout after OS changed
 it.
In-Reply-To: <65cf04f0-9a44-04ad-d159-cf5ff26119ca@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <65cf04f0-9a44-04ad-d159-cf5ff26119ca@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20170329124715.46eec145@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:34:44 +0100
Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is this a known issues? If I run Lazarus IDE (LCL-GTK2) on either Linux
> or FreeBSD, and say my keyboard layout is set to US. Now if I change the
> keyboard layout to say Dvorak while Lazarus IDE is open, then Lazarus
> IDE still uses the US layout (I think), while the rest of the OS and any
> running applications uses the new Dvorak layout.

It works here on LCL-GTK2 Ubuntu.

Mattias

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Mar 29 12:56:45 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 11:56:45 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus IDE uses old keyboard layout after OS changed
 it.
In-Reply-To: <20170329124715.46eec145@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <65cf04f0-9a44-04ad-d159-cf5ff26119ca@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <20170329124715.46eec145@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <e9a9232f-adfe-03ef-efb7-7c8770aa1395@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-29 11:47, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:
> It works here on LCL-GTK2 Ubuntu.

Umm. I can give more details on the VM I see this happen the most. I'm
running CentOS 6.6 using JWM window manager and have two scripts that I
run to switch keyboard layouts.

Here is one such script.

==========================
#!/bin/sh

setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -variant dvorak
===========================


How did you change the keyboard layout under Ubuntu? Via the Ubuntu
keyboard applet or setxkbmap or xmodmap etc?

I'll switch my scripts to using xmodmap instead and see if that makes
any difference. JWM doesn't run taskbar/panel applets (eg: networking,
keyboard layout etc), so I have to do it manually via other X11 utilities.


Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
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http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Wed Mar 29 13:32:18 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:32:18 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] MacOS horz scroll via trackpad -patch
Message-ID: <3de96d30-7dc7-1580-bd27-42cf9e47e670@ya.ru>


I posted 1st step, which supports MacOS horizontal scroll (via 2 fingers 
on trackpad)
to http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=29972
Pls apply. CudaText uses it. Now it scrolls horz, it is 1st app on Mac which
can scroll horz via trackpad (not by scrollbars).

This step added setting of ssExtra1 flag to Shift(TShiftState) in 
OnMouseWheel.
If horz scroll, flag added. If vert, flag not added.
ATSynEdit handles this flag.

Next step needed for other Laz users.
Others want that horz scroll works in all LCL controls(Memo/Treeview/etc).
So maybe needed to handle ssExtra1 in Memo/Tree/etc.
On maybe other: needed to force some methods on LCL level w/out changing 
LCL components


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From getmem1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 16:05:59 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:05:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>

Hi, 

The idea was to notify the user if something has changed in the main
repository. With your method non-installed packages wouldn't show up as
"new" packages. For example if a completely new package is added to the main
repository, you cannot see it as new, which is not optimal in my opinion.
Beside if a new update is available a bold NEW text appears in the update
column.

Free Pascal - Lazarus mailing list wrote
> Online Package Manager shows the packages with "new" icon if the latest
> release time was in the given number of days, but shows them with normal
> icon if they are older than that days regardless if they are up-to-date
> or not.
> I my opinion:
> - It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon
> and
> - Show all packages with "new" icon if their last release is newer than
> the installed one...





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From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Wed Mar 29 17:16:01 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (John Landmesser)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 22:16:01 +0700
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_thanks_for_everything?=
Message-ID: <1890395834.20170329181601@gmx.de>

Hey friend, 

I wanted to tell you how much much I appreciate our friendship, you  may read my thank you  message here http://zypi.com/language.php?5b5a


Warm regards, John Landmesser

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From ptrg at freemail.hu  Wed Mar 29 17:46:39 2017
From: ptrg at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyIEfDoWJvcg==?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 17:46:39 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
 <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9fae0ae5-c152-8d6c-8d63-50ad69db7401@freemail.hu>

Of course a newly added package in the repository can/must be marked as
new for a period of time.

> With your method non-installed packages wouldn't show up as
> "new" packages.
I was talking about installed packages when I said that "all packages",
sorry if it was not clear enough....

>> It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon
This means: if I have an installed package and specially if it is
up-to-date then it is not new for me (no way), so it does not need my
special attention until a the next update... updated packages are not
new packages.
Currently I have a package (FPSreadsheet) up-to-date and it is marked as
new...

-- 
Péter Gábor
ptrg at freemail.hu


From liyuan at cav.desoft.cu  Wed Mar 29 18:03:01 2017
From: liyuan at cav.desoft.cu (=?UTF-8?Q?Liyuan_Garc=c3=ada_Caballero?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] laz4android error...
Message-ID: <76738088-11f5-7647-7e86-4f640a1ffea2@cav.desoft.cu>

Hi team!

I have some errors to build my APK. I use LAMW. Can I help me?

[javac] D:\App\Mio\src\org\lamw\mio\android-17\App.java:75: error: 
method jAppOnCreate in class Controls cannot be applied to given types;
     [javac]       controls.jAppOnCreate(this, controls.appLayout);
     [javac]               ^
     [javac]   required: Context,RelativeLayout,Intent
     [javac]   found: App,RelativeLayout
     [javac]   reason: actual and formal argument lists differ in length
     [javac] D:\App\Mio\src\org\lamw\mio\android-17\App.java:80: error: 
method jAppOnNewIntent in class Controls cannot be applied to given types;
     [javac]     protected void onNewIntent(Intent intent) 
{super.onNewIntent(intent); controls.jAppOnNewIntent();}
[javac] ^
     [javac]   required: Intent
     [javac]   found: no arguments
     [javac]   reason: actual and formal argument lists differ in length

     [javac] 2 errors
     [javac] 3 warnings

Thank you!

From tomas.emresz at strankysnadno.cz  Wed Mar 29 21:53:53 2017
From: tomas.emresz at strankysnadno.cz (=?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBFbXJlc3o=?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:53:53 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] MultiTask library
Message-ID: <a0d0bbbf-b40c-5eb6-efee-bb12cee24c43@strankysnadno.cz>

Hello,

i would like to present my own library which can be used as single 
thread to multithread application move.

Some description is on my github url : 
https://github.com/tomas-raul/MultiTask


For example, you have simple methods like

LoadImage(Fn : string);

and this method you run over and over - for some image tranformation 
f.e. with this :

for i := 1 to 100 do

  LoadImage(ItToStr(i)+'.jpg');

With my library (and the precompiler) - you can do the same with 
multithread like :

for i := 1 to 100 do

  LoadImage_MT_LOW(ItToStr(i)+'.jpg'); // this run this method in 
MultiTask environment with LOW priority (this is not thread priority, 
but place in task queue).

Today update is - integrated precompiler, which you can run from before 
build event and it create adekvate methods, and somethink else..

Precompiler show you help by -h param :D

Precompiler adds :

procedure Load_Image_MT( const id : integer;  const item : iSuperObject; 
const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Last( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Low( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Normal( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_High( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_ASAP( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique_Last( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique_Low( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique_Normal( const id : integer;  const item 
: iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique_High( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);
  procedure Load_Image_MT_Unique_ASAP( const id : integer;  const item : 
iSuperObject;  const fn : string);

For your code :

tIQDeploy_v4 = class(TObject) {class_MT}
    published
    {$I MT_onNewWork.inc}
     procedure Load_Image(const id: integer; const item: iSuperObject; 
const fn: string); {gen_MT}
   {$I MT_def.inc}
   end;


implementation

{$I MT_impl.inc}


Tomas

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From jmpessoa at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 29 22:10:54 2017
From: jmpessoa at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Marques_Pessoa?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:10:54 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] laz4android error...
In-Reply-To: <76738088-11f5-7647-7e86-4f640a1ffea2@cav.desoft.cu>
References: <76738088-11f5-7647-7e86-4f640a1ffea2@cav.desoft.cu>
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Fixed!


Thank you!

________________________________
From: Lazarus <lazarus-bounces at lists.lazarus-ide.org> on behalf of Liyuan García Caballero via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 12:03:01 PM
To: Lazarus mailing list
Cc: Liyuan García Caballero
Subject: [Lazarus] laz4android error...

Hi team!

I have some errors to build my APK. I use LAMW. Can I help me?

[javac] D:\App\Mio\src\org\lamw\mio\android-17\App.java:75: error:
method jAppOnCreate in class Controls cannot be applied to given types;
     [javac]       controls.jAppOnCreate(this, controls.appLayout);
     [javac]               ^
     [javac]   required: Context,RelativeLayout,Intent
     [javac]   found: App,RelativeLayout
     [javac]   reason: actual and formal argument lists differ in length
     [javac] D:\App\Mio\src\org\lamw\mio\android-17\App.java:80: error:
method jAppOnNewIntent in class Controls cannot be applied to given types;
     [javac]     protected void onNewIntent(Intent intent)
{super.onNewIntent(intent); controls.jAppOnNewIntent();}
[javac] ^
     [javac]   required: Intent
     [javac]   found: no arguments
     [javac]   reason: actual and formal argument lists differ in length

     [javac] 2 errors
     [javac] 3 warnings

Thank you!
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From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:09:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <9fae0ae5-c152-8d6c-8d63-50ad69db7401@freemail.hu>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
 <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <9fae0ae5-c152-8d6c-8d63-50ad69db7401@freemail.hu>
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> This means: if I have an installed package and specially if it is
> up-to-date then it is not new for me (no way), so it does not need my
> special attention until a the next update... updated packages are not
> new packages.
> Currently I have a package (FPSreadsheet) up-to-date and it is marked as
> new... 

I added a new option(r. 54501): "Show regular icon for newly added packages
after install" which will overwrite the current behaviour. By default the
option is not checked. 
Please test!
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From lacak at zoznam.sk  Thu Mar 30 13:24:14 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:24:14 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Linux 64 to Linux ARC crosscompile was:Lazarus and
 Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <676bdb1d-9768-a407-d390-187639c597a5@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>
 <676bdb1d-9768-a407-d390-187639c597a5@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>

Alternate solution to my modified question (Cross-compile from Windows 
to Linux/ARM):

- Download FpcUpDeluxe executable from 
https://github.com/newpascal/fpcupdeluxe/releases (in my case 1.2.0m)
- Run it and choose InstallDir (for example D:\TEMP\fpcupdeluxe)
- Select FPC and Lazarus version (for example FPC 3.0.2 and Lazarus trunk)
- Click "Install/update FPC+Laz" (FPC and Lazarus sources will be 
downloaded from SVN and build)
- Then select CPU=arm, OS=Linix and click "Install cross-compiler" 
(cross-compiler and FPC unit will be compiled)

It is easy and awesome! Thank you very much for FpcUp[Deluxe]!

Unfortunately there is not mentioned on:
  http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_on_Raspberry_Pi#Cross_compiling_for_the_Raspberry_Pi_from_Windows and
  http://wiki.freepascal.org/fpcup#Linux_ARM_cross_compiler ,
that this whole process is covered by FpcUpDeluxe and user is not 
required do anything manualy ;-)

P.S.1
Only drawback, which I faced is, that I can not build current stable 
release of FPC 3.0.2 and Lazarus 1.6.4 using FpcUpDeluxe 
(fpcupdeluxe-i386-win32.exe on Win8.1 64bit)
Program freezes and last entry in log is: Lazarus: lazbuild could not be 
found, so cannot build USERIDE.
(configuration which works for me is FPC 3.0.2 + Lazarus trunk)

P.S.2
Interesting idea would be create utility which will build only 
cross-compilers based on FPC already installed (like does FpcUpDeluxe 
but without need/overhead of SVN checkout and Lazarus build 
functionality). May be only ZIP archive with needed utilities + script 
which will do needed tasks.

From list2010 at BrenemanLabs.com  Thu Mar 30 14:37:22 2017
From: list2010 at BrenemanLabs.com (Paul Breneman)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 08:37:22 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Linux 64 to Linux ARC crosscompile was:Lazarus and
 Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>
 <676bdb1d-9768-a407-d390-187639c597a5@zoznam.sk>
 <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <a9ab80c4-1bfe-29ac-1a81-dad2e7877a03@BrenemanLabs.com>

On 03/30/2017 07:24 AM, LacaK via Lazarus wrote:
> Alternate solution to my modified question (Cross-compile from Windows
> to Linux/ARM):
>
> - Download FpcUpDeluxe executable from
> https://github.com/newpascal/fpcupdeluxe/releases (in my case 1.2.0m)
> - Run it and choose InstallDir (for example D:\TEMP\fpcupdeluxe)
> - Select FPC and Lazarus version (for example FPC 3.0.2 and Lazarus trunk)
> - Click "Install/update FPC+Laz" (FPC and Lazarus sources will be
> downloaded from SVN and build)
> - Then select CPU=arm, OS=Linix and click "Install cross-compiler"
> (cross-compiler and FPC unit will be compiled)
>
> It is easy and awesome! Thank you very much for FpcUp[Deluxe]!
>
> Unfortunately there is not mentioned on:
>  http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_on_Raspberry_Pi#Cross_compiling_for_the_Raspberry_Pi_from_Windows
> and
>  http://wiki.freepascal.org/fpcup#Linux_ARM_cross_compiler ,
> that this whole process is covered by FpcUpDeluxe and user is not
> required do anything manualy ;-)
>
> P.S.1
> Only drawback, which I faced is, that I can not build current stable
> release of FPC 3.0.2 and Lazarus 1.6.4 using FpcUpDeluxe
> (fpcupdeluxe-i386-win32.exe on Win8.1 64bit)
> Program freezes and last entry in log is: Lazarus: lazbuild could not be
> found, so cannot build USERIDE.
> (configuration which works for me is FPC 3.0.2 + Lazarus trunk)
>
> P.S.2
> Interesting idea would be create utility which will build only
> cross-compilers based on FPC already installed (like does FpcUpDeluxe
> but without need/overhead of SVN checkout and Lazarus build
> functionality). May be only ZIP archive with needed utilities + script
> which will do needed tasks.

Thank you *very* much for that information!  If no one else does, I'll 
try to update those two wiki pages, and also this one:
   http://wiki.freepascal.org/Small_Virtual_Machines

Best regards,
Paul
www.ControlPascal.com


From ptrg at freemail.hu  Thu Mar 30 16:54:40 2017
From: ptrg at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyIEfDoWJvcg==?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:54:40 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <1490854175450-4051284.post@n3.nabble.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
 <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <9fae0ae5-c152-8d6c-8d63-50ad69db7401@freemail.hu>
 <1490854175450-4051284.post@n3.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1e3ae224-d05e-9756-3f4f-b4964c320b49@freemail.hu>

Seems to be working.

2017-03-30 08:09 keltezéssel, Balázs Székely via Lazarus írta:
>> This means: if I have an installed package and specially if it is
>> up-to-date then it is not new for me (no way), so it does not need my
>> special attention until a the next update... updated packages are not
>> new packages.
> 
> I added a new option(r. 54501): "Show regular icon for newly added packages
> after install" which will overwrite the current behaviour. By default the
> option is not checked. 
However, the behaviour of the "on" state of this option is the normal
behaviour in general package managers (ie. synaptic) and no option must
be changed for it. Who needs to see that a package is new if it is
already installed and up-to-date?

Anyway, Thanks!

-- 
Péter Gábor
ptrg at freemail.hu



From getmem1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 20:55:40 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:55:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <1e3ae224-d05e-9756-3f4f-b4964c320b49@freemail.hu>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
 <1490796359816-4051278.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <9fae0ae5-c152-8d6c-8d63-50ad69db7401@freemail.hu>
 <1490854175450-4051284.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <1e3ae224-d05e-9756-3f4f-b4964c320b49@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <1490900140740-4051288.post@n3.nabble.com>


> However, the behaviour of the "on" state of this option is the normal
> behaviour in general package managers (ie. synaptic) and no option must
> be changed for it. Who needs to see that a package is new if it is
> already installed and up-to-date?

The thing is everyone would like a slightly different behavior. Anyway I set
the default value is true.


> Anyway, Thanks!

You're welcome!



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From michael at freepascal.org  Thu Mar 30 22:44:36 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:44:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Change in source editor behaviour ?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>


Hello,

I just updated my Lazarus - after quite some time (I was at 52983)
to the latest SVN version (54501).

It seems the editor behaviour regarding selection has changed. 
In a *major* annoying way, I might add.

Before the update, if I stood at the start of a line, and did shift-down,
the first line would be selected, including newline. 
Which is exactly what I wanted and what I always used: 
shift-down to select a line, copy to clipboard and then paste somewhere.

After the update, when I do this, the first line is selected, and the second
line (where the cursor is after shift-down) as well. 
With as a result that I can no longer select a single line with newline!!

Is this intentional and if so, can this new behaviour be reverted - or at least
made optional ? it is *extremely* annoying, I have no words for it 
(and if I had they would be really, really expletive).

It's IMHO also bad policy to change the behaviour of an editor in such a
major way without at least notifying people (as far as I can see, there is
nothing in the WIKI about this)

Michael.

From michael at freepascal.org  Thu Mar 30 22:58:38 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:58:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Change in source editor behaviour ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302250070.6157@home.telenet.be>


Hello,

Sorry about the noise.

By searching the keyboard shortcuts I found

'line selection mode',

which was mapped to CTRL-K, L. 
AFAIK this combination was previously mapped (in my settings) 
to 'select current line'. (to verify, I checked the settings 
in 'joe', which is configured using the same keys as Lazarus...)

I seem to have activated this inadvertently after the update ?

Strange. Once more, sorry about the noise.

Always happens. 
After you send a mail, you stumble on the solution of the problem...

Michael.


On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I just updated my Lazarus - after quite some time (I was at 52983)
> to the latest SVN version (54501).
>
> It seems the editor behaviour regarding selection has changed. 
> In a *major* annoying way, I might add.
>
> Before the update, if I stood at the start of a line, and did shift-down,
> the first line would be selected, including newline. 
> Which is exactly what I wanted and what I always used: 
> shift-down to select a line, copy to clipboard and then paste somewhere.
>
> After the update, when I do this, the first line is selected, and the second
> line (where the cursor is after shift-down) as well. 
> With as a result that I can no longer select a single line with newline!!
>
> Is this intentional and if so, can this new behaviour be reverted - or at 
> least
> made optional ? it is *extremely* annoying, I have no words for it 
> (and if I had they would be really, really expletive).
>
> It's IMHO also bad policy to change the behaviour of an editor in such a
> major way without at least notifying people (as far as I can see, there is
> nothing in the WIKI about this)
>
> Michael.
> -- 
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>

From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Thu Mar 30 23:09:41 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:09:41 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Change in source editor behaviour ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <d98092ab-d9e2-9140-50db-8f3c65f3b40d@freenet.de>

Am 30.03.2017 um 22:44 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus:
>
> Hello,
>
> I just updated my Lazarus - after quite some time (I was at 52983)
> to the latest SVN version (54501).
>
> It seems the editor behaviour regarding selection has changed. In a 
> *major* annoying way, I might add.
>
> Before the update, if I stood at the start of a line, and did shift-down,
> the first line would be selected, including newline. Which is exactly 
> what I wanted and what I always used: shift-down to select a line, 
> copy to clipboard and then paste somewhere.
>
> After the update, when I do this, the first line is selected, and the 
> second
> line (where the cursor is after shift-down) as well. With as a result 
> that I can no longer select a single line with newline!!
>
> Is this intentional and if so, can this new behaviour be reverted - or 
> at least
> made optional ? it is *extremely* annoying, I have no words for it 
> (and if I had they would be really, really expletive).
>
> It's IMHO also bad policy to change the behaviour of an editor in such a
> major way without at least notifying people (as far as I can see, 
> there is
> nothing in the WIKI about this)
>
> Michael.

I had this too, and it took me quite a while to find out: this is the 
line selection mode which I must have activated accidentally. Working in 
classic keyboard scheme this happens with CTRL-KL. Since I never knew 
the key short cut to turn it off again I removed this key mapping, and 
since then, I have not seen it again.

From silvioprog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 30 23:21:42 2017
From: silvioprog at gmail.com (silvioprog)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:21:42 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Change in source editor behaviour ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302250070.6157@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302250070.6157@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <CAKq_V2+c6TtO_9G7-PSW5Nt2V0FVbCtT1kV-RdkxKMW+MZLLfw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
[...]

> Always happens. After you send a mail, you stumble on the solution of the
> problem...
>

This has happened to me too. :-)

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From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Mar 30 23:30:23 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:30:23 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Change in source editor behaviour ?
In-Reply-To: <CAKq_V2+c6TtO_9G7-PSW5Nt2V0FVbCtT1kV-RdkxKMW+MZLLfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302233110.5696@home.telenet.be>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703302250070.6157@home.telenet.be>
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Message-ID: <a1aaa02b-47f5-dfea-e46f-772f3445a480@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-03-30 22:21, silvioprog via Lazarus wrote:
> This has happened to me too. :-)

And to me. I removed the key mapping to get rid of the problem.

Regards,
  Graeme


From mlnglsts at bgss.hu  Fri Mar 31 09:13:09 2017
From: mlnglsts at bgss.hu (Gabor Boros)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:13:09 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] fpDebug error "Debug information not available"
In-Reply-To: <bfd565a8-d00b-e89f-20a5-09058c3cd357@kluug.net>
References: <bfd565a8-d00b-e89f-20a5-09058c3cd357@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <f456363b-17c6-5a8f-4672-63afc45939b1@bgss.hu>

2017. 03. 28. 20:14 keltezéssel, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus írta:
> Hello,
>
> I want to test the fpDebug debugger. I followed
> http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-Need-testers-for-the-a-new-debugger-td4037911.html
>
> When I run a LCL application, I get the following error within Lazarus IDE:
>
> [Window Title]
> project1 - Lazarus IDE v1.7
> [Content]
> No Dwarf-debug information available. The debugger will not function
> properly. [CurrentProcess=TDbgWinProcess,DbgInfo=TFpDwarfInfo]
> [OK]
>
> I tried various "Type of debug info" in Project Options. The last I tried:
>
> Do you have any hints?
>
> OS: Win 10 64bit
> Lazarus: trunk 1.7 32bit
>
> Ondrej

Hi Ondrej and All,

For me Automatic and Stabs give the above error message and works with 
the other three options. Tried with Win10 64bit, FPC 3.0.2 32bit, 
Lazarus trunk 54502 (build with a simple "make" command then installed 
components\lazdebuggers\lazdebuggerfp\lazdebuggerfp.lpk).

Gabor

From getmem1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 29 13:37:37 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?QmFsw6F6cyBTesOpa2VseQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:37:37 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Online Package Manager shows the packages with "new" icon if the latest
> release time was in the given number of days, but shows them with normal
> icon if they are older than that days regardless if they are up-to-date
> or not.
> I my opinion:
> - It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon
> and
> - Show all packages with "new" icon if their last release is newer than
> the installed one...
>

The idea was to notify the user if something has changed in the main
repository. With your method non-installed packages wouldn't show up as
"new" packages. For example if a completely new package is added to the
main repository, you cannot see it as new, which is not optimal in my
opinion.Beside if a new update is available a bold NEW text appears in the
update column(see attachment).


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Péter Gábor via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Online Package Manager shows the packages with "new" icon if the latest
> release time was in the given number of days, but shows them with normal
> icon if they are older than that days regardless if they are up-to-date
> or not.
> I my opinion:
> - It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon
> and
> - Show all packages with "new" icon if their last release is newer than
> the installed one...
>
> 2016-10-28 08:20 keltezéssel, Balázs Székely via Lazarus írta:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have made considerable progress with the online package manager. Next
> > week the central repository will be populated with 30+ packages. Here is
> a
> > short video(please watch it in 700p).
> >
> > https://youtu.be/y_hT8u2u5bU
> >
> > Suggestions are welcome.
> >
>
> --
> Péter Gábor
> ptrg at freemail.hu
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From doug at moosemail.net  Fri Mar 31 13:03:55 2017
From: doug at moosemail.net (DougC)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:03:55 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <CAK1Bw23A6ncBRT4xBD80yBXvNoBVpYNMVu89OQ7WwkDrh10kOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Seems to me you should have at minimum 3 status for packages:

New - Not yet installed but available in repository

Updated - Already installed but a new version is in repository

Up-To-Date - Already installed and installed version is same as in repository



Using "new" for both "not yet installed" and "installed but with available updates" is confusing.



---- On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:37:37 -0400 Balázs Székely via Lazarus &lt;lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org&gt; wrote ----




Online Package Manager shows the packages with "new" icon if the latest

 release time was in the given number of days, but shows them with normal

 icon if they are older than that days regardless if they are up-to-date

 or not.

 I my opinion:

 - It would be better to show up-to-date packages with normal icon

 and

 - Show all packages with "new" icon if their last release is newer than

 the installed one...




The idea was to notify the user if something has changed in the main repository. With your method non-installed packages wouldn't show up as "new" packages. For example if a completely new package is added to the main repository, you cannot see it as new, which is not optimal in my opinion.Beside if a new update is available a bold NEW text appears in the update column(see attachment).







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From andrea.mauri.75 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 13:04:52 2017
From: andrea.mauri.75 at gmail.com (Andrea Mauri)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:04:52 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Linux 64 to Linux ARC crosscompile was:Lazarus and
 Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
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>
> P.S.2
> Interesting idea would be create utility which will build only
> cross-compilers based on FPC already installed (like does FpcUpDeluxe
> but without need/overhead of SVN checkout and Lazarus build
> functionality). May be only ZIP archive with needed utilities + script
> which will do needed tasks.

+1

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 31 14:06:37 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:06:37 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <CAK1Bw23A6ncBRT4xBD80yBXvNoBVpYNMVu89OQ7WwkDrh10kOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <767d874c-d3d9-72f5-cafb-4759f08ccfd4@ya.ru>

  GetMem,
it would be very good, if all Json files, for components,
will be hosted on one Github repo. Now they are distributed
(on NNN servers, etc).
You can make repo for them.

Alexey

From md at delfire.net  Fri Mar 31 16:42:20 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:42:20 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I would like to know how I can manager my 3rd packages with different
version.

For example, imagine that:
You have got a package called SmartFoo.lpk version 1.0.
You are using the master/trunk version.
Whe you compile it you got this: smartfoo\lib\x86_64-win64\*ppu, *.o, etc

Now you can use this package in your projects.

Then, the author update this package to 2.0 version.
Imagine that you have many projects using version 1.0 but you would like to
update to 2.0 to work in just one project.

The problem is: I don't want to work in other projects right now but you
need to mantain them compilable with the version 1.0 of SmartFoo if you
need it any time.

What is the best approach to deal with it?

I've already read the Wiki http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages but
I can not realize how IDE will know about the right *.ppu files to use.


Best regards,
Marcos Douglas
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From michael at freepascal.org  Fri Mar 31 16:54:28 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:54:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2017, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to know how I can manager my 3rd packages with different
> version.
>
> For example, imagine that:
> You have got a package called SmartFoo.lpk version 1.0.
> You are using the master/trunk version.
> Whe you compile it you got this: smartfoo\lib\x86_64-win64\*ppu, *.o, etc
>
> Now you can use this package in your projects.
>
> Then, the author update this package to 2.0 version.
> Imagine that you have many projects using version 1.0 but you would like to
> update to 2.0 to work in just one project.
>
> The problem is: I don't want to work in other projects right now but you
> need to mantain them compilable with the version 1.0 of SmartFoo if you
> need it any time.
>
> What is the best approach to deal with it?
>
> I've already read the Wiki http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages but
> I can not realize how IDE will know about the right *.ppu files to use.

Put the various versions  in different directories. The IDE will use the
correct one based on the dependencies and the location. Every version 
needs to have been opened once in the IDE.

I use it all the time. Works fine, except some rather exotic error messages
if the IDE doesn't find a matching version.

Michael.

From md at delfire.net  Fri Mar 31 17:11:36 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:11:36 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703311652540.8461@home.telenet.be>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+ixmeZ1JyOxAH5rvL+EcW_EEuWxJUBfo0_1b1dL3=DMpfzT1w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Put the various versions  in different directories. The IDE will use the
> correct one based on the dependencies and the location. Every version
> needs to have been opened once in the IDE.
>
> I use it all the time. Works fine, except some rather exotic error messages
> if the IDE doesn't find a matching version.
>

That is a way, thanks.
But I am thinking something like bellow:

smartfoo
  \lib
    \i386-win32\
      \1.0
      \1.1
      \1.2.3
      *.ppu (trunk)
    \x86_64-win64
      \1.0
      *.ppu (trunk)


My point is each project just use PPU files, not the real sources because I
would like
to have just one source.
The correct way is the author freeze the version using a label, but I can
do this myself locally. Then, I can compile and copy the PPU files for the
right lib\<plataform>\<version>.

But using this way I will need to set up which path to use when I add a
package into the project, right?
What do you think about it?


Marcos Douglas
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From michael at freepascal.org  Fri Mar 31 17:22:59 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 17:22:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
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References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2017, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
> lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> Put the various versions  in different directories. The IDE will use the
>> correct one based on the dependencies and the location. Every version
>> needs to have been opened once in the IDE.
>>
>> I use it all the time. Works fine, except some rather exotic error messages
>> if the IDE doesn't find a matching version.
>>
>
> That is a way, thanks.
> But I am thinking something like bellow:

Below. Bellow is something a cow does ;-)

>
> smartfoo
>  \lib
>    \i386-win32\
>      \1.0
>      \1.1
>      \1.2.3
>      *.ppu (trunk)
>    \x86_64-win64
>      \1.0
>      *.ppu (trunk)
>
>
> My point is each project just use PPU files, not the real sources because I
> would like
> to have just one source.
> The correct way is the author freeze the version using a label, but I can
> do this myself locally. Then, I can compile and copy the PPU files for the
> right lib\<plataform>\<version>.
>
> But using this way I will need to set up which path to use when I add a
> package into the project, right?
> What do you think about it?

AFAIK The IDE will not work with that.

It needs the actual sources of each version. 
So you need multiple directories with the sources of each version.

FPC itself can work with this, if properly configured.


Michael.

From md at delfire.net  Fri Mar 31 17:29:28 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:29:28 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Below. Bellow is something a cow does ;-)
>

 Yeah, sorry.  :)



> AFAIK The IDE will not work with that.
>
> It needs the actual sources of each version. So you need multiple
> directories with the sources of each version.
>
> FPC itself can work with this, if properly configured.
>

Well, Ok. I will use as you explained. Thanks.
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From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Fri Mar 31 18:18:27 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:18:27 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:42:20 -0300
"Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
wrote:

>[...]
> Then, the author update this package to 2.0 version.
> Imagine that you have many projects using version 1.0 but you would like to
> update to 2.0 to work in just one project.

A project can set a preferred version of a package:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Using_preferred_file_name

 
> The problem is: I don't want to work in other projects right now but you
> need to mantain them compilable with the version 1.0 of SmartFoo if you
> need it any time.
> 
> What is the best approach to deal with it?
> 
> I've already read the Wiki http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages but
> I can not realize how IDE will know about the right *.ppu files to use.

The IDE searches a lpk (correct name and version) and the
corresponding .ppu files are stored relative to the lpk. See here
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Different_versions_of_a_package

Mattias

From getmem1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 19:21:35 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:21:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
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> @DougC
> Seems to me you should have at minimum 3 status for packages:
> New - Not yet installed but available in repository
> Updated - Already installed but a new version is in repository
> Up-To-Date - Already installed and installed version is same as in
> repository
> Using "new" for both "not yet installed" and "installed but with available
> updates" is confusing.

Thank you for the suggestions. I agree, the whole system is somewhat
confusing, especially if you take into account that the packages can also be
updated from the maintainers webpage. I did my best to explain how it works:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Online_Package_Manager#Difference_between_download.2Finstall.2Fupdate


> @Alexey
> it would be very good, if all Json files, for components,
> will be hosted on one Github repo. Now they are distributed
> (on NNN servers, etc).
> You can make repo for them.

We did try to move all the json to one place, however some of the developers
prefer GitHub, others BitBucket or SourceForge. It's very hard to convince
somebody to move just for the sake of OPM.



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From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Fri Mar 31 19:55:56 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:55:56 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <767d874c-d3d9-72f5-cafb-4759f08ccfd4@ya.ru>
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Am 31.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Alexey via Lazarus:
>  GetMem,
> it would be very good, if all Json files, for components,
> will be hosted on one Github repo. Now they are distributed
> (on NNN servers, etc).
> You can make repo for them.
>
> Alexey

I don't see any advantage. Someone (GetMem?, you?) would have to get the 
developers access to that repository. The developers needs another 
password for a system which he does not need for anything else. Now the 
developer stores the update-json at a place where he already has access 
to. That's just perfect.


From md at delfire.net  Fri Mar 31 20:03:11 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:03:11 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+ixmebYzsJZOKf39TYyuB5S_vh6av56_imkjH5_CSOJ0h+XGg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> The IDE searches a lpk (correct name and version) and the
> corresponding .ppu files are stored relative to the lpk. See here
> http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Different_
> versions_of_a_package
>

Mattias,

Yes, but as Michael said, I need to have many copies of the sources.
I thought that I could use just one source and many /libs directories with
the .ppu's

What do you think?

Best regards,
Marcos Douglas
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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 31 20:09:33 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:09:33 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
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Nope; it works other way. GetMem has repo access. I have my Github 
account. i clone his repo, make pull request. he sees my PR and applies it.


On 31.03.2017 20:55, Werner Pamler via Lazarus wrote:
>
> I don't see any advantage. Someone (GetMem?, you?) would have to get 
> the developers access to that repository. The developers needs another 
> password for a system which he does not need for anything else. 

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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 31 20:11:41 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 21:11:41 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
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It must not be the problem. Many apps use GH, and they need patches on 
GH, and users make them on GH.


> however some of the developers
> prefer GitHub, others BitBucket or SourceForge. It's very hard to convince
> somebody to move just for the sake of OPM.

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Alexey


From getmem1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 31 20:43:48 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:43:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
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@Alexey
Ok. Let's assume for a moment we move everything to GitHub. First I write to
every single developer and ask them to make a GitHub account. By some
miracle, everyone agrees and suddenly we are on GitHub. What would be the
benefits? Until now I did not have to deal with the external json files, it
was the package maintainer job to maintain those jsons. If we implement your
idea I have one more GitHub account to take care of, which is not a big deal
if there is a clear benefit like:
- OPM becomes faster
- it's more easier to maintain
etc..




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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Mar 31 21:38:48 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 22:38:48 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
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On 31.03.2017 21:43, Balázs Székely via Lazarus wrote:
> - OPM becomes faster
> - it's more easier to maintain
> etc..
>

IMO benefit will be. it is "easier to maintain". Each developer which 
wants to send json,
makes GH acc, then clones OPM repo, then sends pull req. No emails. Zip 
can be send in GH post.

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Alexey


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Fri Mar 31 23:38:50 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:38:50 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:03:11 -0300
"Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
wrote:

>[...]
> Yes, but as Michael said, I need to have many copies of the sources.
> I thought that I could use just one source and many /libs directories with
> the .ppu's
> 
> What do you think?

I guess different versions have different sources, don't they?

Mattias